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NBA Free Agency Moves in General (related to the Jazz, but not just moves made by the Jazz)

Well, we have 4 more days to help someone out by using Diaw's contract.

Handlogten's Heros said:
Flexibility is only beneficial if you use it. In maintaining our flexibility we have had some opportunity cost loss.

I don't know that we need flexibility this year or next. 3 years is tough to project. I do know that we need opportunities to get high level talent and getting 1st rounders is our best chance at landing that. Most of the picks don't work out so you need as many bites at the apple as possible.
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We DEFINITELY need it next year. If Jazz have a couple of low-level forwards on the team, just to provide depth, they are shut out of the market. Favs, Burks, JJ and all other spare parts need to be jettisoned to open up cap space. I can see Utah trying to extend Exum; he has a $15m cap hold. So no advantage to waiting. Hood's hold is only $7m. Jazz need to make a move or two early next summer before matching or offering Rodney a deal. If/when Hood signs, there goes Utah's cap space.
 
Jack Strop said:
Well, we have 4 more days to help someone out by using Diaw's contract.



We DEFINITELY need it next year. If Jazz have a couple of low-level forwards on the team, just to provide depth, they are shut out of the market. Favs, Burks, JJ and all other spare parts need to be jettisoned to open up cap space. I can see Utah trying to extend Exum; he has a $15m cap hold. So no advantage to waiting. Hood's hold is only $7m. Jazz need to make a move or two early next summer before matching or offering Rodney a deal. If/when Hood signs, there goes Utah's cap space.
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I disagree... we have enough salary and cap holds that even if we renounce Favs and JJ we'd have maybe 10M in space which is not much more than MLE. If we dump Burks (which will cost us an asset) then we have cap space, but what does $20M buy you in next year's FA class? Outside of the RFAs its awful... unless we think LeBron, CP3, or others are coming.

I think both Hood and Exum are extended this offseason at a total of around $30M annually... I don't think we want them to get to RFA. Thus I don't think we really have cap space next year.

I just don't see flexibility next year as more important than acquiring a mid first rounder.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I disagree... we have enough salary and cap holds that even if we renounce Favs and JJ we'd have maybe 10M in space which is not much more than MLE. If we dump Burks (which will cost us an asset) then we have cap space, but what does $20M buy you in next year's FA class? Outside of the RFAs its awful... unless we think LeBron, CP3, or others are coming.

I think both Hood and Exum are extended this offseason at a total of around $30M annually... I don't think we want them to get to RFA. Thus I don't think we really have cap space next year.

I just don't see flexibility next year as more important than acquiring a mid first rounder.
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You are only seeing free agency. What about a team wanting to do an uneven trade? Having cap space allows Utah to take on salary while only giving a little back. And before you ask, no, I don't have names in mind. It's impossible to tell who may be on the market. A lot depends on what happens this season. Some teams always have buyer's remorse, give up and decide to rebuild. Having a "little more" than the MLE could also be important. If bidding for Player X, does he take the MLE from a team, or does he decide to take the $10m+ from Utah.

Jazz desperately need a PF. They have no one on the roster who is going to develop. Relying on a pick in the teens is dangerous. And Favs is GONE. There's no way Utah is going to repair the relationship with him. He's been the subject of trade rumors every season. I think the only way he'd stay is if Utah gave him the max. And there's no way you invest $30m/per in a player with his injury history.
 
Jack Strop said:
You are only seeing free agency. What about a team wanting to do an uneven trade? Having cap space allows Utah to take on salary while only giving a little back. And before you ask, no, I don't have names in mind. It's impossible to tell who may be on the market. A lot depends on what happens this season. Some teams always have buyer's remorse, give up and decide to rebuild. Having a "little more" than the MLE could also be important. If bidding for Player X, does he take the MLE from a team, or does he decide to take the $10m+ from Utah.

Jazz desperately need a PF. They have no one on the roster who is going to develop. Relying on a pick in the teens is dangerous. And Favs is GONE. There's no way Utah is going to repair the relationship with him. He's been the subject of trade rumors every season. I think the only way he'd stay is if Utah gave him the max. And there's no way you invest $30m/per in a player with his injury history.
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We could do the trades you are referring to with expiring and assets that we acquired in trades for those then expiring contracts. Say Jimmy butler is available would the team want cap space right then over an expiring contract and a first rounder?

With the flexibility you are waiting for something to come that may not be there. Take our space this year for instance. We didn't need it to do the Rubio deal as we could have done that after FA opened if we had wanted. Our space has dried up in prior years with almost no return... all in the name of flexibility. I say don't hamstring yourself but don't be pennywise and dollar foolish. If there are assets to be had for contracts that go beyond this year I think I'd be more than willing to go get them. We can possibly use those contracts in sign and trades if FAs want to come. I don't think it limits us that much next year tbh... especially if you think Favs is gone.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
We could do the trades you are referring to with expiring and assets that we acquired in trades for those then expiring contracts. Say Jimmy butler is available would the team want cap space right then over an expiring contract and a first rounder?

With the flexibility you are waiting for something to come that may not be there. Take our space this year for instance. We didn't need it to do the Rubio deal as we could have done that after FA opened if we had wanted. Our space has dried up in prior years with almost no return... all in the name of flexibility. I say don't hamstring yourself but don't be pennywise and dollar foolish. If there are assets to be had for contracts that go beyond this year I think I'd be more than willing to go get them. We can possibly use those contracts in sign and trades if FAs want to come. I don't think it limits us that much next year tbh... especially if you think Favs is gone.
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No, we can't do the same with expirings. The key is an UNEVEN trade. Not saying it will happen. But teams like to clear cap space. An expiring gives them a contract back. An uneven trade gives them NO salary back. And yes, a team would want cap space over an expiring for a key player because they'd likely be trading him to acquire someone else.

For example, Team X needs another star to pair with certain players. They want to go after a FA (or do a 3-way trade), but have zero cap space. Utah steps in, gets a couple of decent players and/or picks and allows Team X to open up cap room. This market has dried up for this off-season. But who knows next year?

Please tell me who you would sign right now? Or what bad contract do you want to take on? I'm all for Utah using space or the Diaw contract to take on salary for this year only. But not into next season.
 
I'm getting the feeling that the Jazz will sign Eric Griffin and then opt in to Diaw and Neto's non guaranteed contracts. And that will basically be all that they do this offseason. Then they'll wait to see what options are available at the trade deadline. I originally thought a move would eventually come but it's been too quiet in the past week. Not even a whisper of any signing or trade that might happen. The silence is deafening.
 
Jack Strop said:
No, we can't do the same with expirings. The key is an UNEVEN trade. Not saying it will happen. But teams like to clear cap space. An expiring gives them a contract back. An uneven trade gives them NO salary back. And yes, a team would want cap space over an expiring for a key player because they'd likely be trading him to acquire someone else.

For example, Team X needs another star to pair with certain players. They want to go after a FA (or do a 3-way trade), but have zero cap space. Utah steps in, gets a couple of decent players and/or picks and allows Team X to open up cap room. This market has dried up for this off-season. But who knows next year?

Please tell me who you would sign right now? Or what bad contract do you want to take on? I'm all for Utah using space or the Diaw contract to take on salary for this year only. But not into next season.
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Can only do uneven trades once FA is opening and in the scenario you outlined earlier you said a team is rebuilding. A rebuilding team offloading a star isn't a player in FA that year. What good team is dumping a good player and needs an uneven trade to acquire said player?

The scenario you outline in your most recent post we get picks for taking on a one year salary dump... why effing wait... I'm saying if we can do that right now let's go ahead and do it. When teams dump salary they almost always do it by giving picks... not usually good players and salary. We would also likely get a 2018 pick by taking the salary now... a pick in 2018 is worth more than a future pick unless there is an uneven draft class.

If milwaukee would give a first to dump Teletovic I'd do it. I'd have done the deal Toronto did with Carroll too. If a team won't give up a first round pick now for a salary maneuver that is fine I'd move on.
 
We need to take a chance. What's Royce White up to these days? ****, he was MVP of some Canadian league. Do it, DL! He still has the anxiety issues but **** it, let him just play at home or on West Coast trips and have someone drive him. Or if there is enough trvael time to other games too. We could probably get as many games out of him as we got from Hill last year.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
We need to take a chance. What's Royce White up to these days? ****, he was MVP of some Canadian league. Do it, DL! He still has the anxiety issues but **** it, let him just play at home or on West Coast trips and have someone drive him. Or if there is enough trvael time to other games too. We could probably get as many games out of him as we got from Hill last year.
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That's a novel idea. And if I'm a GM, I say why not? The 2-way players can play on the road. White is rested and ready to go for all home games. Jazz would be applauded for signing and accommodating a player with a disability.
 
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