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Haywood just officially signed with the Celtics

ijazz said:
1. His kid was in the ER and Boston FO screwed the pooch on it
2. He was in Boston earlier ready to go and they were not done with the paperwork. No big deal
3. Hayward talked to the Boston Media yesterday
4. He confirmed when the story supposedly leaked HE HAD NOT DECIDED.


Someone build goodwill in a city for 7 years, does everything the right way and everyone beleives an ESPN writer who says he posted the story just as he was boarding a plane to get it out there.
He had a 50/50 chance.

With friends like this fan base who needs enemies.


And you think the way Hayward is just being shredded by the Jazz is not going unnoticed.

Good luck getting another Top 20 player as a FA. Not happening.

Good luck getting a ring, not happening.

Good luck making the playoffs, 8th seed at best....

Enjoy mediocrity.....
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There is a lot of truth to this. Utah is seen as a weird place, and the fans act like this...

It does not go unnoticed.

I know for a fact that BYU and the University of Utah have had problems with fans acting this way and turning recruits off from the programs.

Some of you guys are brats and completely immature. Grow up.
 
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oldtimer said:
Chris Paul facilitated this trade by being honest with the Clippers. Wish Coward had been honest with the Jazz. But that is not my point. Coward could have insisted that in order to sign with Boston it must be a sign and trade. Boston and Utah could have then engaged in sign and trade discussions that actually gave the Jazz an asset. Coward tried to save face by saying (after the fact) that he was willing to do a sign a trade, but that was way to little to late. Coward should have said I will sign back with Utah unless Boston give the Jazz something in return. Jazz fans wouldn't feel so betrayed and Coward would have been welcomed back in Utah any time. Instead he thought only of himself and screwed the team that loved him for 7 years.
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Lol. This is the funniest thing I've ever read. I love how this board twists facts to fit their narrative. What fantasy land do you guys live in?
 
green said:
There is a lot of truth to this. Utah is seen as a weird place, and the fans act like this...

It does not go unnoticed.

I know for a fact that BYU and the University of Utah has had problems with fans acting this way and turning recruits off from the programs.

Some of you guys are brats and completely immature. Grow up.
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I have a hard time believing Jazz fans are all that unique when it comes to this stuff.
 
fishonjazz said:
I disagree. I would have been equally pissed if he did what he did and went to Brooklyn. Maybe even more pissed cause I wouldn't understand it. I at least understand why he went to Boston. (He wants to make sweet love to Stevens)
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Bettter history: Boston
Better FO: Boston
Better shot all All star: Boston
Better shot at all NBA: Boston
Better shot at big $ endorsements: Boston
Better talent: Boston
Better shot at getting more talent: Boston
Better coach: Wash

That's why he went to Boston it's pretty simple.
 
Bulletproof said:
I have a hard time believing Jazz fans are all that unique when it comes to this stuff.
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No, they aren't unique. But it's still Utah. That's a big hurdle to overcome. When you are a young athlete, Utah is not where you grew up dreaming of playing at.

There is so much going against players from coming here...different culture, weird drinking laws, religious people that are just...strange (Elder Hayward stuff)....

Then you toss ******* fans in top of that?

Game over man.

The Jazz can control certain things: coaches, facilities, etc. they want to be the best at what they can control.

Same goes for fans. We can only control how we act. Why not be the best? Why excuse ****ty behavior with, "well, everyone else does it"...

Be the best. Let Utah have the best facilities. The best developmental coaches and G League team. Let them have the best coaches.

And let's be the best fans. Let's make the decision so hard for these guys they can't say no. Let's have a player sit there and think, "Man, the State of Utah sucks. BUT, their facilities, their coaches, their fans are all amazing. Gobert is a star that doesn't shoot. No one else can offer me that."

Instead they think, "damn, Fisher hooked Utah up. He won them games and balled out for them and they treat him like this? And look how they treat Hayward. Utah is a weird, awful place. No thanks."
 
green said:
Do you honestly think he'd choose a worse Utah team over a better LA team?
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You mean the Utah team that just beat lac? Yes Utah lost their second best player but lac lost their best player.

Unless you think Hayward is better than CP3, I think you mixed up that up.

There is reasons to choose LA and maybe he chose for those reasons but there are reasons to choose Utah and one of those is a better team than the clippers right now.
 
green said:
There is a lot of truth to this. Utah is seen as a weird place, and the fans act like this...

It does not go unnoticed.

I know for a fact that BYU and the University of Utah have had problems with fans acting this way and turning recruits off from the programs.

Some of you guys are brats and completely immature. Grow up.
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This would happen in every city.

In fact, name me the one city where a big FA signed with another team and the fans of the former team weren't pissed.

I'll wait. Probably forever, because you can't come up with one.
 
green said:
No, they aren't unique. But it's still Utah. That's a big hurdle to overcome. When you are a young athlete, Utah is not where you grew up dreaming of playing at.

There is so much going against players from coming here...different culture, weird drinking laws, religious people that are just...strange (Elder Hayward stuff)....

Then you toss ******* fans in top of that?

Game over man.

The Jazz can control certain things: coaches, facilities, etc. they want to be the best at what they can control.

Same goes for fans. We can only control how we act. Why not be the best? Why excuse ****ty behavior with, "well, everyone else does it"...

Be the best. Let Utah have the best facilities. The best developmental coaches and G League team. Let them have the best coaches.

And let's be the best fans. Let's make the decision so hard for these guys they can't say no. Let's have a player sit there and think, "Man, the State of Utah sucks. BUT, their facilities, their coaches, their fans are all amazing. Gobert is a star that doesn't shoot. No one else can offer me that."

Instead they think, "damn, Fisher hooked Utah up. He won them games and balled out for them and they treat him like this? And look how they treat Hayward. Utah is a weird, awful place. No thanks."
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Oh please. You just posted a giant list on why another team was better. Like this factor would make any player change their mind.

"Well City X has a better history, better FO, better endorsement opportunities, better media exposure, but golly gee the fans in City Y are so classy and stuff that I'm totally going to stay here."
 
idiot said:
I'm going to go out on a limb here (and probably make some enemies):

I think the thing that has really upset Jazz fans is the simple fact that Hayward left the Jazz for "greener pastures." All the outrage over the method of the decision, the delay, the lack of pressing for a sign-and trade, the supposed lies, the apparent lack of letting the Jazz brass know in an honorable way, etc., etc., are excuses we use to mask our discomfort with a decision that we know he had a right to make. Those other things reflect poorly on Hayward, but likely say much more of immaturity and poor planning in an unfamiliar situation than true moral shortcomings.

But the discomfort we feel with Hayward's decision is real and biting. To put it in terms that ijazz can perhaps understand, it's as if Hayward decided to leave Butler for Indiana University after Butler's finals loss, saying how much he respects IU's coach and would be better able to fulfill his dreams at IU.

I understand completely why players generally (including Hayward, and likely many more of the current Jazzmen than we'd like to recognize) are willing to move for what they regard as a better situation. I don't resent them for that. But those decisions (especially when the movement seems to be from the "small time" to the "big time" and not for overwhelming basketball or financial reasons) leave fans with a pain that there is no good cure for. I'm not into the lifetime grudges that many Jazz fans seem to hold, but I understand them.
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I think his agent gave him bad advice. In fact, if Hay had put pressure on Boston to make a trade with the Jazz instead of Detroit, then the Celtics would've probably traded us Crowder, which actually would've been better for the Celtics because Bradley is the player they should've kept, not Crowder. I know there were salary considerations, and Ainge seems more concerned with that than having the best team. But Crowder is the odd man out with the Celts now having Hay, Tatum, and Brown at SF.
 
Ultimately, people are telling Jazz fans that Hayward didn't owe anything to the organization, but we owe him some sort of respect for what he did here. Seriously, we don't owe Haywood a damn thing. We don't owe him an ovation when he comes back, we don't owe him respect as a player. We don't owe him more than any other player in the league.

You want to be a mercenary? Don't feel bad when you are treated like a mercenary. You want respect? Give respect. That stupid blog post wasn't respect.
 
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