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A Change in Team Dynamics

Which Pair would you perfer.


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It's no secret that this upcoming draft could be huge for Jazz Basketball. KOC and company have a lot of big choices to make in building a championship team. Personally, I like our chances in the draft of landing some important pieces. I know there is already a post on the draft, but this is a pole, and my purpose is to be more specific. Everyone knows that the Jazz have a few needs to fill:
More Size, length, and Athleticism

A Legitimate shooter—preferably one that can put the ball on the floor

A solid small forward or shooting guard (Gordon Hayward is skilled enough to play either position so we should take the best player available between SF’s and SG’s if we do take one).

A legitimate point Guard. (This need is interesting because we already have Devin Harris who is pretty darn good, but I am not quite sold on the idea that Harris is a good fit for the Jazz. Great dude nonetheless).

With all that being said, there are various players I feel would fit the criteria I have just laid out. I will lay out the choices in pairs, indicating who we draft at 6 and who we draft at 12. Keep in mind I am leaving out Irving , Williams and Kanter because they should be gone after 3, and I am assuming the Jazz draft 6 and 12.

- Brandon Knight at # 6, and Alec Burks at # 12. Both have a great chance of being solid NBA Players. Knight is Athletic and has great size for the PG position. Burks Is pretty much hands down the best PG prospect in this year’s draft. A great Slasher at the college ranks, with a developing jump shot. According to my knowledge, both are only 19 and have a lot of room for growth. (worth mentioning though that I am not sure Burks falls to 12, especially in a weak draft).

- Bismack Biyombo at #6 and Jimmer Fredette at #12. This seems very possible it could happen. Bismack has recently jumped on everyone’s radar after stunning play in highly exposed games. Bismack is Long, Athletic, and Big. He’s listed at 6’9 with a 7-7 wingspan. He is said to be only 18 years old, but there are a lot of people incredulous about that (Maybe more like 20 or 21 years old). He is a defensive monster! Can Block shots and rebound the Basketball. If his game translates to the NBA, (keep in mind he plays in the 2nd best league in the world right now) Having a guy like Bismack could really alter Games at the defensive end. He’s been compared to Ben Wallace, but more athletic. Choosing him could really change the dynamics of the Utah Jazz. Drafting Jimmer along with Bimack would give us a solid shooter, who could very well turn into a Solid PG in the NBA. Not to mention Jimmer would be Great from a PR standpoint. (I really don’t need to say anything else about Jimmer on this thread. He is easily the most talked about player on Jazzfanz and he does not even play for the Jazz lol).

- Jan Vesely at #6 and Kemba Walker at #12. According to David Locke, Jan Vesley has an NBA Ability. You can see it on locked on Jazz. In the Video he holds the ball at the three point line, and then taking one dribble elevates to the basket and dunks the basketball with a guy contesting the dunk. Pretty impressive! The Dude is a 6’11 European player. Seems to have pretty good form and touch on his shot. Could be a pretty good player at the NBA level. Kemba Walker could slip down to #12. Jameer Nelson slipped pretty far down, partly because he was undersized. I could see the same thing happening with Walker. Walker is quick, and has the ability to score. Maybe he’ll be a Ty Lawson type player in the NBA. He seems to show good leadership ability, and can certainly get to the basketball. J.J. Barea is undersized and he really impacted the Laker Mavs game last night in game two, and If J.J. Barea can get to the basket and reap havoc in the lane with quickness and basketball savvy, I am pretty confident walker will be productive in the NBA.

I am interested to hear your thoughts and opinions. What do you guys think? Do you like one pair in particular. Any other pair you would prefer in the Draft at 12 and 6?
 
I vote for NONE because, after the fans booed the Gordon Hayward pick, Jerry Sloan said something to the effect of "the fans have no idea what we're trying to accomplish".

He was right then, and he is still right.

The Jazz traded away thier franchise player, missed the playoffs, lost thier coach, and are about to say good-bye to their longest tenured player (AK). But listen to managment and it sounds like they feel like they did thier rebuilding with the D-Will trade and that they only need time to let the players and new coach get on the same page and for Haywerd and Favours to grow older. The only CHANGE that has been mentioned is pushing baseline on Defense and going to a two gaurd front on offense. Those two adjustments just raise more questions about how current players would be used and which draftees might fit in. I know the team needs to add a sf to the roster but everything else I just have no idea what the Jazz are hoping to accomplish.
 
I voted other but if I had to choose between the three before that I would want Knight at 6 and Burks at 12. But my plan is a little different...


Draft Brandon Knight at 6.

Trade the 12th pick to Los Angeles Lakers for their 4 2nd round picks (41, 46, 56, and 58).

Trade the 56th and 58th pick for a pick earlier in the 2nd round.

For that pick we get, draft Davis Bertans.

Draft Jimmy Butler at 41.

Draft Robin Benzing at 46.


Brandon Knight can be our future starting point, he is a Calipari point guard coming into the NBA and all those point guards have played really well in this league (Rose, Evans, and Wall). Then we do what the Rockets did a couple years ago when they drafted Chase Budinger if you remember they didn't have any draft picks that year and they ended up with 3 2nd round picks because they needed to fill a need at the SG position so they got Jermaine Taylor, Serio Llull, and Chase Budinger. Llull hasn't come over yet, but they had Taylor and Budinger battle it out for the starting SG and Budinger won that battle as we know. So I say let Bertans, Butler, and Benzing battle it out for our starting SF spot then the next guy is the bench guy and maybe keep all three with Butler being our back up SG to Hayward.


Davis Bertans (Latvia) 6'10" 225 lbs. Positives and negatives according to Chad Ford of ESPN Insider...

Positives
•Excellent shooter with deep range
•Quick release on his jumper
•Can create his shot off the dribble
•Great size for his position
•Good passer
•Aggressive

Negatives
•Needs to add strength
•Poor shot selection at times.


Jimmy Butler (Marquette) 6'7" 220 lbs. Just a side note what all the scouts said about Wesley Matthews is exactly what they say about Jimmy Butler but one thing he has that Matthews doesn't is he is taller and longer version.

Positives
•Smooth scorer
•Can score inside and outside
•Solid rebounder
•Can be a lockdown defender

Negatives
•Not a great athlete
•Lacks great quickness or explosiveness
•A bit of a tweener between SG/SF?


Robin Benzing (Germany) 6'11" 235 lbs.

Positives
•Classic 3-man
•Very skilled
•Scorer
•Can shoot the ball with range
•Puts the ball on the deck
•Quick off the dribble
•Good basketball IQ

Negatives
•Not an elite athlete
•Needs to add strength
•A little under the radar


Bertans and Benzing can be our SF rotation that are are less athletic but better shooters then a Nicolas Batum IMO.

Butler can grow into our lock down defender and back up SG.
 
I think, I'd call drafting Knight, Burc an amazing draft. Knight would be a great backup pg. Plus, he would get a few starts with Harris being injured. Burc has the potential to be a pretty decent SG.
 
I vote for Hayward/Favors.
 
I would go with the first option if Biyombo could play the 3... but I'm pretty sure he cant.
Am I wrong?

I am going to have to go with Other.
I like Burks, but I don't think we need a SG.

You could put up a million options, and I would probably still choose Other.
I don't love any of the choices out there.
 
I vote for NONE because, after the fans booed the Gordon Hayward pick, Jerry Sloan said something to the effect of "the fans have no idea what we're trying to accomplish".

He was right then, and he is still right.

The Jazz traded away thier franchise player, missed the playoffs, lost thier coach, and are about to say good-bye to their longest tenured player (AK). But listen to managment and it sounds like they feel like they did thier rebuilding with the D-Will trade and that they only need time to let the players and new coach get on the same page and for Haywerd and Favours to grow older. The only CHANGE that has been mentioned is pushing baseline on Defense and going to a two gaurd front on offense. Those two adjustments just raise more questions about how current players would be used and which draftees might fit in. I know the team needs to add a sf to the roster but everything else I just have no idea what the Jazz are hoping to accomplish.

God forbid we lose our longest tenured player in AK.
 
I think the Jazz would seriously consider Biyombo and Jimmer. Vesely is probably also on the radar.
There are so many ways the Jazz could go with their picks. Let's just hope we end up with one very good player (starter/6th man quality) and a solid backup. What the Jazz CAN'T have happen is a Snyder/Humphries draft where both are wasted picks.

I sitll think there's a distinct possibility the #12 pick is traded. With Hayward, Favors, the #6 - even throw in Evans - the Jazz have enough young 'uns. The team needs some skilled veterans (and I don't mean Raja).
 
I voted other but if I had to choose between the three before that I would want Knight at 6 and Burks at 12. But my plan is a little different...


Draft Brandon Knight at 6.

Trade the 12th pick to Los Angeles Lakers for their 4 2nd round picks (41, 46, 56, and 58).

Trade the 56th and 58th pick for a pick earlier in the 2nd round.

For that pick we get, draft Davis Bertans.

Draft Jimmy Butler at 41.

Draft Robin Benzing at 46.

Bertrans is intriguing, would love the Jazz to get his rights its just a tough move to risk being a GM to trade down.
 
I would lead the mob to KOC's house if he traded a 12th pick for 4 second rounders, which ends up being three second rounders.
 
I would lead the mob to KOC's house if he traded a 12th pick for 4 second rounders, which ends up being three second rounders.

This.

Not that I wouldn't put it past KOC, but, damn.
 
why everyone like biyombo so much? he isnt that good, and fredette can be at best a good bench player. Brandon knight can actually run a good team. I woulnt prefer Burks since we have hayward, but if kirilenko will be out for next year, i would like knight and leonard, that would be the best couple in our current situation (considering we wont win the lottery)
 
I voted other but if I had to choose between the three before that I would want Knight at 6 and Burks at 12. But my plan is a little different...


Draft Brandon Knight at 6.

Trade the 12th pick to Los Angeles Lakers for their 4 2nd round picks (41, 46, 56, and 58).

Trade the 56th and 58th pick for a pick earlier in the 2nd round.

For that pick we get, draft Davis Bertans.

Draft Jimmy Butler at 41.

You must have some terrible genes...i mean this is the stupidest **** i ever read.
 
why everyone like biyombo so much? he isnt that good, and fredette can be at best a good bench player. Brandon knight can actually run a good team. I woulnt prefer Burks since we have hayward, but if kirilenko will be out for next year, i would like knight and leonard, that would be the best couple in our current situation (considering we wont win the lottery)

I think the hope is he'll be another Ben Wallace type player. That is appealing in a league where you need good defensive size to win. Plus he's apparently super aggressive and balls out, and I like players like that though if he's not skilled it will just get him in foul trouble.

But I'm trying to look at the positives for all the prospects. I'm no good at determining which prospect is going to be effective at the next level. I thought Kirk Snyder would be great, and thought Brewer was the Jazz's lockdown parameter defender of the future. Shows what I know.
 
I think the hope is he'll be another Ben Wallace type player. That is appealing in a league where you need good defensive size to win. Plus he's apparently super aggressive and balls out, and I like players like that though if he's not skilled it will just get him in foul trouble.

But I'm trying to look at the positives for all the prospects. I'm no good at determining which prospect is going to be effective at the next level. I thought Kirk Snyder would be great, and thought Brewer was the Jazz's lockdown parameter defender of the future. Shows what I know.

yes time will show whats gonna happen, but biyombo became like a lottery player just with one game, in nike hoops, i didnt see him in any other game, maybe he will be a good backup but i dont see a star potential in him, we will see
 
yes time will show whats gonna happen, but biyombo became like a lottery player just with one game, in nike hoops, i didnt see him in any other game, maybe he will be a good backup but i dont see a star potential in him, we will see

I think part of the reason his stock has seemed to skyrocket is the perceived weakness of this draft. I really doubt he'd be talked about as a top 5 pick next year, and he certainly wouldn't have last year.
 
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