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[Red]

Like I said folks, there are two different groups that we are talking about here.

The reasonable people who sometimes vote blue and sometimes vote red who put trump into the White House because they couldn't vote for clinton:

And these people, the GOP base:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/11/us/charlottesville-white-nationalists-rally-why/index.html

How do younreason with this?

Preparatory to the "Unite the Right" rally in Charlottesville Saturday, this seems like an excellent one page guide to the people and the ideas of the alt right today:

http://www.c-ville.com/kids-alt-right-guide-new-crop-white-nationalists/#.WY7y6JL3ahC

Many protestors opposed to the Alt Right are also expected, and there were skirmishes between the two groups Friday night. I'm pretty much in opposition to the beliefs underlying the Alt Right, but I don't see what is gained by confronting them during their rallies. This is how they feel, their beliefs are important to them, as misguided and bigoted as they appear to me to be. They are real to them, and they are not going to just disappear just because I think they should practice tolerance of non whites. They are as impassioned in their beliefs as I am in mine, and I don't see what is gained by getting in their face when they rally.

I'm also a little conflicted about the specific move that has brought these groups to Charlottesville, the KKK rally in July, and now the Unite the Right rally Saturday: namely, the removal of the statue of Robert E. Lee, pending appeals to the courts. It does seem to constitute erasing American history to a degree in the interests of political correctness. The Civil War happened, and many in the South want to remember the generals that fought on the side of the South. Yes, I get that the South was, in part, fighting for the preservation of the institution of slavery, but telling people they we should have no public reminders of the South's side in that conflict bothers me somewhat as it's nearly akin to saying because the South lost the effort to preserve a way of life that accepted slavery, they must now also have no public reminders that their side ever even existed.

So, we're a bit off subject for this thread I guess, but I thought the above link was an excellent one page guide to some of the personalities leading the Alt Right in America today, and we are in the midst of a cultural and political civil war after all at this time in our history.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Preparatory to the "Unite the Right" rally in Charlottesville Saturday, this seems like an excellent one page guide to the people and the ideas of the alt right today:

http://www.c-ville.com/kids-alt-right-guide-new-crop-white-nationalists/#.WY7y6JL3ahC

Many protestors opposed to the Alt Right are also expected, and there were skirmishes between the two groups Friday night. I'm pretty much in opposition to the beliefs underlying the Alt Right, but I don't see what is gained by confronting them during their rallies. This is how they feel, their beliefs are important to them, as misguided and bigoted as they appear to me to be. They are real to them, and they are not going to just disappear just because I think they should practice tolerance of non whites. They are as impassioned in their beliefs as I am in mine, and I don't see what is gained by getting in their face when they rally.

I'm also a little conflicted about the specific move that has brought these groups to Charlottesville, the KKK rally in July, and now the Unite the Right rally Saturday: namely, the removal of the statue of Robert E. Lee, pending appeals to the courts. It does seem to constitute erasing American history to a degree in the interests of political correctness. The Civil War happened, and many in the South want to remember the generals that fought on the side of the South. Yes, I get that the South was, in part, fighting for the preservation of the institution of slavery, but telling people they we should have no public reminders of the South's side in that conflict bothers me somewhat as it's nearly akin to saying because the South lost the effort to preserve a way of life that accepted slavery, they must now also have no public reminders that their side ever even existed.

So, we're a bit off subject for this thread I guess, but I thought the above link was an excellent one page guide to some of the personalities leading the Alt Right in America today, and we are in the midst of a cultural and political civil war after all at this time in our history.

Awwww cmon Red. Stop being a pompous liberal snowflake. We need to "understand" these people. Stop calling them racist for their racist beliefs. You need to "understand" them. That's why you liberals lost last November. Y'all need to understand the "forgotten man." You know, the poor forgotten white male who's clearly the #1 victim these days.

/s

Could you imagine the uproar had a large group of Muslims or BLM done the same thing? Tanks, riot police, and tear gas would've been used. Their safe protest last night is the very definition of white privilege. They're merely using the Lee statue as a reason to justify their hate. America today has its own Goebbels network of am radio, info wars, Brietbart, and Fox News. the president openly incites hatred at Hitler Youth like Boy Scout jamborees. The NRA clearly advocates in recent ads for a white uprising.

And we wonder why mosques are being torched in Minnesota and Nazi groups are marching in Virginia?

 

[Gameface]

Awwww cmon Red. Stop being a pompous liberal snowflake. We need to "understand" these people. Stop calling them racist for their racist beliefs. You need to "understand" them. That's why you liberals lost last November. Y'all need to understand the "forgotten man." You know, the poor forgotten white male who's clearly the #1 victim these days.

/s

Could you imagine the uproar had a large group of Muslims or BLM done the same thing? Tanks, riot police, and tear gas would've been used. Their safe protest last night is the very definition of white privilege. They're merely using the Lee statue as a reason to justify their hate. America today has its own Goebbels network of am radio, info wars, Brietbart, and Fox News. the president openly incites hatred at Hitler Youth like Boy Scout jamborees. The NRA clearly advocates in recent ads for a white uprising.

And we wonder why mosques are being torched in Minnesota and Nazi groups are marching in Virginia?

You really have no idea the point I was making.

You've always been a ****ing moron when it comes to politics. It's like your sports team. You're just a ****ing liberal homer. You do far, FAR more damage to the liberal cause than some dumb *** racist.

 

[Deleted member 365]

You really have no idea the point I was making.

You've always been a ****ing moron when it comes to politics. It's like your sports team. You're just a ****ing liberal homer. You do far, FAR more damage to the liberal cause than some dumb *** racist.

Sorry, but I've never plowed my car into a crowd into a group of people. Stop with the hyperbole.

You have a large racist group led by people who all endorsed trump and are terrorizing an American city. Many have been seen on video as saluting and changing "Heil Trump!" They're protesting the removal of a statue. But that's not the reason they exist. They're racists.

What is there to understand?

What amount of pandering to their demands will satisfy them?

The mere fact that they were able to protest as much as they did without police interference shows their White privilege.

Trump needed a lot of moderate voters to get to the White House. But without the support of these racists, he would t have ever won the GOP nomination.

What are the rest of us supposed to do? What's there for liberals, moderates, and avg conservatives supposed to understand with these racists? I'm getting tired of being made to feel guilty by calling racists who use hitler salutes, attack minorities, and kill people with their cars, RACIST. they're racists, nothing more to see here.

 

[Zombie]

You really have no idea the point I was making.

You've always been a ****ing moron when it comes to politics. It's like your sports team. You're just a ****ing liberal homer. You do far, FAR more damage to the liberal cause than some dumb *** racist.

Actually I think his response was completely warranted. The idea that the left needs to sit down with and understand Trump supporters so they can win them back is nonsensical. We know who they are and what they believe, and I'm not going to apologize for calling them like I see them. I'm sick and tired of left wing navel gazing over hurt feelings. We shouldn't be ashamed of our convictions.

Anyone offended by the denunciation of bigotry isn't someone whose vote I want to court. Look at Charlottesville. That's the base right there. There's a reason Trump isn't calling them out for what they are, he knows he needs their support.

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[Gameface]

Sorry, but I've never plowed my car into a crowd into a group of people. Stop with the hyperbole.

You have a large racist group led by people who all endorsed trump and are terrorizing an American city. Many have been seen on video as saluting and changing "Heil Trump!" They're protesting the removal of a statue. But that's not the reason they exist. They're racists.

What is there to understand?

What amount of pandering to their demands will satisfy them?

The mere fact that they were able to protest as much as they did without police interference shows their White privilege.

I responded to you because you're mocking the post I made yesterday.

And do you think the car that rammed into the crowd did significant damage to the liberal cause? You're so clueless. That car killed a person, injured many others...and did nothing to harm the liberal cause.

 

[Gameface]

Actually I think his response was completely warranted. The idea that the left needs to sit down with and understand Trump supporters so they can win them back is nonsensical. We know who they are and what they believe, and I'm not going to apologize for calling them like I see them. I'm sick and tired of left wing navel gazing over hurt feelings. We shouldn't be ashamed of our convictions.

Anyone offended by the denunciation of bigotry isn't someone whose vote I want to court. Look at Charlottesville. That's the base right there. There's a reason Trump isn't calling them out for what they are, he knows he needs their support.

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Calling a racist a racist is just fine. Not the point I made at all.

Calling ALL Trump supporters racists hurts your side, hurts our democracy.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Calling a racist a racist is just fine. Not the point I made at all.

Calling ALL Trump supporters racists hurts your side, hurts our democracy.

No one has called all trump supporters as racist.

His core supporters certainly are.

 

[Gameface]

No one has called all trump supporters as racist.

His core supporters certainly are.

So yeah, I'm not advocating for sitting down with ****ing White Nationalists to discuss compromises. Pull your ****ing head out of your ***.

 

[Deleted member 365]

So yeah, I'm not advocating for sitting down with ****ing White Nationalists to discuss compromises. Pull your ****ing head out of your ***.

Trump's weak *** speech today torpedoes your argument. If he wasn't afraid of offending his most ardent supporters then why did he give such a weak *** speech?

He's not afraid of flying off the handle to insult the media or major world leaders.

But call put these racist scumbags for the cockroaches they are? Suddenly he gives a weak impotent too Politically correct response.

 

[Deleted member 365]

So yeah, I'm not advocating for sitting down with ****ing White Nationalists to discuss compromises. Pull your ****ing head out of your ***.

And I'm not advocating for ignoring conservatives who are moderate. They're angry over the same issues that many liberals are angry with. The economy, health care, job security, money in politics, etc.

Trump's base is another matter.

There's no compromising with those socially inept racist cockroaches.

3 are now dead in Virginia.

 

[Jonah]

I’d be interested in informed estimates on the percentage of Trump supporters that identify as white nationalists, neo-nazis, and Klan members. I suspect it’s a small fraction of what gets called his base. Knowing Trump supporters, who they are and what they believe, and even more importantly, why they believe, is a dense and tangled problem. A recent book, “Strangers in Their Own Land” by Arlie Russell Hochschild, offers a nuanced look at this exact subject.