Donald Fires FBI Director who's investigating Russian Election Hacking

[colton]

Clinton did not have an affair, he abused his power to get a intern to do things fearing she would lose her job, did those things!

Way to side-step my question. He was impeached for lying and obstructing justice, not for the abuse of power (which granted is something else that concerned me). So, was the impeachment for lying and obstructing justice a witch hunt, or something that Congress was correct to be concerned about?

 

[Harambe]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-ok-to-nuclear-plan-congressman-idUSKBN1E02KI

Another piece of the puzzle?

Unconfirmed. But damn that looks bad

 

[franklin]

I'll take "franklin makes an excuse as to why he can see my posts after ignoring me" for $1000, Alex.

I have several posts today about what I see as problems with the ignore function interfering with the readability of the board. As for your posts, I find you extremely childish and petty and have zero interest in reading any of them. I'm going back to the old fashioned form of ignore by simply scrolling over 99% of you.

 

[Harambe]

I have several posts today about what I see as problems with the ignore function interfering with the readability of the board. As for your posts, I find you extremely childish and petty and have zero interest in reading any of them. I'm going back to the old fashioned form of ignore by simply scrolling over 99% of you.

Franklin, still having no excuse to respond to me, doubles down.

 

[Red]

At the end of the day I think Mueller get Kushner and that is his big fish. I think that those the President had and continues to surround himself with hold him in low regard and often go rogue for what they feel is best.

I base this off Tillerson reportedly calling him a "moron", Amarosa sneaking into cabinet meetings, the Bannon, Kelly, Spicer and other firings/resignations, the Session/Trump tension, this entire investigation, his extreme tendency to go off script and message...

This in itself is its own damning indictment of this Presidency. I am stunned anytime someone joins it tbh. Its like asking to get butchered.

Either Kushner or President Trump I imagine. And very interesting that Trump Jr. used an odd excuse yesterday to refuse to answer questions about conversations he had with his father regarding that June 6, 2016 meeting with the Russian lawyer and the promise of dirt on Hillary. It does not sound likely that the GOP led House Intelligence Committee will recall Trump Jr. to further testify under oath, via supeana, so hopefully Mueller will be digging into this:

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/363646-trump-jr-interviews-with-house-intel-panel

 

[Harambe]

Either Kushner or President Trump I imagine. And very interesting that Trump Jr. used an odd excuse yesterday to refuse to answer questions about conversations he had with his father regarding that June 6, 2016 meeting with the Russian lawyer and the promise of dirt on Hillary. It does not sound likely that the GOP led House Intelligence Committee will recall Trump Jr. to further testify under oath, via supeana, so hopefully Mueller will be digging into this:

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/363646-trump-jr-interviews-with-house-intel-panel

Attorney Client Privilege is an interesting concept here. I think dubious more accurate, but sure.

Although there are minor variations, the elements necessary to establish the attorney client privilege generally are:

1. The asserted holder of the privilege is (or sought to become) a client; and
2. The person to whom the communication was made:
   1. is a member of the bar of a court, or a subordinate of such a member, and
   2. in connection with this communication, is acting as an attorney; and
3. The communication was for the purpose of securing legal advice.[4]

There are a number of exceptions to the privilege in most jurisdictions, chief among them:

1. the communication was made in the presence of individuals who were neither attorney nor client, or was disclosed to such individuals,
2. the communication was made for the purpose of committing a crime or tort,
3. the client has waived the privilege (for example by publicly disclosing the communication).

A corollary to the attorney–client privilege is the joint defense privilege, which is also called the common interest rule.[5] The common interest rule "serves to protect the confidentiality of communications passing from one party to another party where a joint defense or strategy has been decided upon and undertaken by the parties and their respective counsel."[6]

An attorney speaking publicly in regard to a client's personal business and private affairs can be reprimanded by the bar and/or disbarred, regardless of the fact that he or she may be no longer representing the client. Discussing a client's or past client's criminal history, or otherwise, is viewed as a breach of fiduciary responsibilities.

The attorney–client privilege is separate from and should not be confused with the work-product doctrine.

Do we know who the attorney in the room was?

 

[Harambe]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/08/polit...trump-campaign-wikileaks-documents/index.html

Candidate Donald Trump, his son Donald Trump Jr. and others in the Trump Organization received an email in September 2016 offering a decryption key and website address for hacked WikiLeaks documents, according to an email provided to congressional investigators.

Although donnie and co deny responding to the email(as it came from an unknown source), they do not even mention if they looked at or checked in to the encrypted site, which should be trackable by any half brained network idiot that worked for the administration. Also visible from by the site admin.

What is of note, is the coincidental timing of donnie jr's tweet:

"WIKILEAKS: Hillary Clinton Sent THOUSANDS of Classified Cables Marked "(C)" for Confidential," he tweeted, sharing a story from the Gateway Pundit, a conservative, pro-Trump website.

Which was the same day, 3 PM September 4th.

 

[Red]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/08/polit...trump-campaign-wikileaks-documents/index.html



Although donnie and co deny responding to the email(as it came from an unknown source), they do not even mention if they looked at or checked in to the encrypted site, which should be trackable by any half brained network idiot that worked for the administration. Also visible from by the site admin.

What is of note, is the coincidental timing of donnie jr's tweet:





Which was the same day, 3 PM September 4th.

CNN blew themselves up again:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...ts-later-it-collapses/?utm_term=.f4f9deccaae6

That's two sloppy mistakes, one by ABC, and now CNN in just about a week. But, I think of greater concern, since only what the investigation by Mueller turns up will really matter, and not media "scoops", is Hannity's and Congressional GOP attacks on Mueller. They are going all out to at least get to the point that Mueller's case will be interpreted as tainted and partisan, regardless of what that case eventually is. I find that pretty worrisome, given then these attacks are all dishonest bs. They are laying the groundwork to fire Mueller or to dismiss his findings if they don't fire him.

 

[Red]

I want the truth, when all is said and done. For which reason, this is greatly concerning to me. I think we may be nearing an important point in this national crisis, in that Trump and his allies cannot let this go on much longer. I know Roger Stone is not happy with Trump's lawyers, and Fox and the GOP in Congress are coming on strong. Cant really bet on their strategy not working. They want Mueller gone.

Love Steve Schimdt....

 

[DutchJazzer]

CNN blew themselves up again:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...ts-later-it-collapses/?utm_term=.f4f9deccaae6

That's two sloppy mistakes, one by ABC, and now CNN in just about a week. But, I think of greater concern, since only what the investigation by Mueller turns up will really matter, and not media "scoops", is Hannity's and Congressional GOP attacks on Mueller. They are going all out to at least get to the point that Mueller's case will be interpreted as tainted and partisan, regardless of what that case eventually is. I find that pretty worrisome, given then these attacks are all dishonest bs. They are laying the groundwork to fire Mueller or to dismiss his findings if they don't fire him.

how come almost all of the people on trumps team are democrats! which is strange especially sicne people in law enforcement tend to lean right. so if a random sample size of people in law enforcemnt was taken it would have to be more right wingers.

but somehow all of muelers team are democrats

 

[Harambe]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...nce-that-manafort-drafted-op-ed-idUSKBN1E22U2

I wonder if this will hold up in court

 

[Harambe]

I want the truth, when all is said and done. For which reason, this is greatly concerning to me. I think we may be nearing an important point in this national crisis, in that Trump and his allies cannot let this go on much longer. I know Roger Stone is not happy with Trump's lawyers, and Fox and the GOP in Congress are coming on strong. Cant really bet on their strategy not working. They want Mueller gone.

Love Steve Schimdt....

Regardless of the source, it's the state of news right now. Name me one source that hasn't had a major kerfufull, retraction, or blatantly dismissive in their delivery over the last 12 months.

 

[Red]

Good look at how Donald Trump has adjusted to the role of President.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/09/us/politics/donald-trump-president.html?referer=

WASHINGTON — Around 5:30 each morning, President Trumpwakes and tunes into the television in the White House’s master bedroom. He flips to CNN for news, moves to “Fox & Friends” for comfort and messaging ideas, and sometimes watches MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” because, friends suspect, it fires him up for the day.

Energized, infuriated — often a gumbo of both — Mr. Trump grabs his iPhone. Sometimes he tweets while propped on his pillow, according to aides. Other times he tweets from the den next door, watching another television. Less frequently, he makes his way up the hall to the ornate Treaty Room, sometimes dressed for the day, sometimes still in night clothes, where he begins his official and unofficial calls.

As he ends his first year in office, Mr. Trump is redefining what it means to be president. He sees the highest office in the land much as he did the night of his stunning victory over Hillary Clinton — as a prize he must fight to protect every waking moment, and Twitter is his Excalibur. Despite all his bluster, he views himself less as a titan dominating the world stage than a maligned outsider engaged in a struggle to be taken seriously, according to interviews with 60 advisers, associates, friends and members of Congress.

For other presidents, every day is a test of how to lead a country, not just a faction, balancing competing interests. For Mr. Trump, every day is an hour-by-hour battle for self-preservation. He still relitigates last year’s election, convinced that the investigation by Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel, into Russia’s interference is a plot to delegitimize him. Color-coded maps highlighting the counties he won were hung on the White House walls.

Before taking office, Mr. Trump told top aides to think of each presidential day as an episode in a television show in which he vanquishes rivals. People close to him estimate that Mr. Trump spends at least four hours a day, and sometimes as much as twice that, in front of a television, sometimes with the volume muted, marinating in the no-holds-barred wars of cable news and eager to fire back.

 

[babe]

Way to side-step my question. He was impeached for lying and obstructing justice, not for the abuse of power (which granted is something else that concerned me). So, was the impeachment for lying and obstructing justice a witch hunt, or something that Congress was correct to be concerned about?

Of greater concern would be the general climate where "impeachment" is resorted to over trivial matters of no national importance, generally, by political opponents who don't believe the American voters really can be trusted with the power to affect their governance.

But, of course, no UN idolator would see that point.

 

[colton]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outl...529efe-da3f-11e7-a841-2066faf731ef_story.html

I study liars. I’ve never seen one like President Trump.
He tells far more lies, and far more cruel ones, than ordinary people do.
By Bella DePaulo December 8

Bella DePaulo is a social scientist who has published extensively on the psychology of lying. Her most recent book is "Alone: The Badass Psychology of People Who Like Being Alone."

I spent the first two decades of my career as a social scienatist studying liars and their lies. I thought I had developed a sense of what to expect from them. Then along came President Trump. His lies are both more frequent and more malicious than ordinary people’s.

In research beginning in the mid-1990s, when I was a professor at the University of Virginia, my colleagues and I asked 77 college students and 70 people from the nearby community to keep diaries of all the lies they told every day for a week. They handed them in to us with no names attached. We calculated participants’ rates of lying and categorized each lie as either self-serving (told to advantage the liar or protect the liar from embarrassment, blame or other undesired outcomes) or kind (told to advantage, flatter or protect someone else).

At The Washington Post, the Fact Checker feature has been tracking every false and misleading claim and flip-flop made by President Trump this year. The inclusion of misleading statements and flip-flops is consistent with the definition of lying my colleagues and I gave to our participants: “A lie occurs any time you intentionally try to mislead someone.” In the case of Trump’s claims, though, it is possible to ascertain only whether they were false or misleading, and not what the president’s intentions were. (And while the subjects of my research self-reported how often they lied, Trump’s falsehoods were tallied by The Post.)

I categorized the most recent 400 lies that The Post had documented through mid-November in the same way my colleagues and I had categorized the lies of the participants in our study.

The college students in our research told an average of two lies a day, and the community members told one. A more recent study of the lies 1,000 U. S. adults told in the previous 24 hours found that people told an average of 1.65 lies per day; the authors noted that 60 percent of the participants said they told no lies at all, while the top 5 percent of liars told nearly half of all the falsehoods in the study.

In Trump’s first 298 days in office, however, he made 1,628 false or misleading claims or flip-flops, by The Post’s tally. That’s about six per day, far higher than the average rate in our studies. And of course, reporters have access to only a subset of Trump’s false statements — the ones he makes publicly — so unless he never stretches the truth in private, his actual rate of lying is almost certainly higher.

That rate has been accelerating. Starting in early October, The Post’s tracking showed that Trump told a remarkable nine lies a day, outpacing even the biggest liars in our research.

But the flood of deceit isn’t the most surprising finding about Trump.

Both the college students and the community members in our study served their own interests with their lies more often than other people’s interests. They told lies to try to advantage themselves in the workplace, the marketplace, their personal relationships and just about every other domain of everyday life. For example, a salesperson told a customer that the jeans she was trying on were not too tight, so she could make the sale. The participants also lied to protect themselves psychologically: One college student told a classmate that he wasn’t worried about his grades, so the classmate wouldn’t think him stupid.

Less often, the participants lied in kind ways, to help other people get what they wanted, look or feel better, or to spare them from embarrassment or blame. For example, a son told his mother he didn’t mind taking her shopping, and a woman took sides with a friend who was divorcing, even though she thought her friend was at fault, too.

About half the lies the participants told were self-serving (46 percent for the college students, 57 percent for the community members), compared with about a quarter that were kind (26 percent for the students, 24 percent for the community members). Other lies did not fit either category; they included, for instance, lies told to entertain or to keep conversations running smoothly.

One category of lies was so small that when we reported the results, we just tucked them into a footnote. Those were cruel lies, told to hurt or disparage others. For example, one person told a co-worker that the boss wanted to see him when he really didn’t, “so he’d look like a fool.” Just 0.8 percent of the lies told by the college students and 2.4 percent of the lies told by the community members were mean-spirited.

My colleagues and I found it easy to code each of our participants’ lies into just one category. This was not the case for Trump. Close to a quarter of his false statements (24 percent) served several purposes simultaneously.

Nearly two-thirds of Trump’s lies (65 percent) were self-serving. Examples included: “They’re big tax cuts — the biggest cuts in the history of our country, actually” and, about the people who came to see him on a presidential visit to Vietnam last month: “They were really lined up in the streets by the tens of thousands.”

Slightly less than 10 percent of Trump’s lies were kind ones, told to advantage, flatter or protect someone else. An example was his statementon Twitter that “it is a ‘miracle’ how fast the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police were able to find the demented shooter and stop him from even more killing!” In the broadest sense, it is possible to interpret every lie as ultimately self-serving, but I tried to stick to how statements appeared on the surface.

Trump told 6.6 times as many self-serving lies as kind ones. That’s a much higher ratio than we found for our study participants, who told about double the number of self-centered lies compared with kind ones.

The most stunning way Trump’s lies differed from our participants’, though, was in their cruelty. An astonishing 50 percent of Trump’s lies were hurtful or disparaging. For example, he proclaimed that John Brennan, James Clapper and James Comey, all career intelligence or law enforcement officials, were “political hacks.” He said that “the Sloppy Michael Moore Show on Broadway was a TOTAL BOMB and was forced to close.” Talking about green card applicants, he insisted that other “countries, they don’t put their finest in the lottery system. They put people probably in many cases that they don’t want.” And he claimed that“Ralph Northam, who is running for Governor of Virginia, is fighting for the violent MS-13 killer gangs & sanctuary cities.”

The Trump lies that could not be coded into just one category were typically told both to belittle others and enhance himself. For example: “Senator Bob Corker ‘begged’ me to endorse him for reelection in Tennessee. I said ‘NO’ and he dropped out (said he could not win without my endorsement).”

The sheer frequency of Trump’s lies appears to be having an effect, and it may not be the one he is going for. A Politico/Morning Consult poll from late October showed that only 35 percent of voters believed that Trump was honest, while 51 percent said he was not honest. (The others said they didn’t know or had no opinion.) Results of a Quinnipiac University poll from November were similar: Thirty-seven percent of voters thought Trump was honest, compared with 58 percent who thought he was not.

For fewer than 40 percent of American voters to see the president as honest is truly remarkable. Most humans, most of the time, believe other people. That’s our default setting. Usually, we need a reason to disbelieve.

Research on the detection of deception consistently documents this “truth bias.” In the typical study, participants observe people making statements and are asked to indicate, each time, whether they think the person is lying or telling the truth. Measuring whether people believe others should be difficult to do accurately, because simply asking the question disrupts the tendency to assume that other people are telling the truth. It gives participants a reason to wonder. And yet, in our statistical summary of more than 200 studies, Charles F. Bond Jr. and I found that participants still believed other people more often than they should have — 58 percent of the time in studies in which only half of the statements were truthful. People are biased toward believing others, even in studies in which they are told explicitly that only half of the statements they will be judging are truths.

By telling so many lies, and so many that are mean-spirited, Trump is violating some of the most fundamental norms of human social interaction and human decency. Many of the rest of us, in turn, have abandoned a norm of our own — we no longer give Trump the benefit of the doubt that we usually give so readily.

 

[Red]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outl...529efe-da3f-11e7-a841-2066faf731ef_story.html

Putting it unkindly, it's easy enough to be sarcastic and refer to him as our Liar-in-Chief.

I'd like to point to a paragraph from the article you posted and compare it with observations noted in the article I posted, which were based on NY Times interviews with "60 advisers, associates, friends and members of Congress."

Regarding his propensity for "unkind lies", from the article you posted:

"The most stunning way Trump’s lies differed from our participants’, though, was in their cruelty. An astonishing 50 percent of Trump’s lies were hurtful or disparaging. For example, he proclaimed that John Brennan, James Clapper and James Comey, all career intelligence or law enforcement officials, were “political hacks.” He said that “the Sloppy Michael Moore Show on Broadway was a TOTAL BOMB and was forced to close.” Talking about green card applicants, he insisted that other “countries, they don’t put their finest in the lottery system. They put people probably in many cases that they don’t want.” And he claimed that “Ralph Northam, who is running for Governor of Virginia, is fighting for the violent MS-13 killer gangs & sanctuary cities.”

The Trump lies that could not be coded into just one category were typically told both to belittle others and enhance himself. For example: “Senator Bob Corker ‘begged’ me to endorse him for reelection in Tennessee. I said ‘NO’ and he dropped out (said he could not win without my endorsement).”

------------------------------------------------------

Now, consider the view he has of his office, and the situation he finds himself in as President, and as described by the Times article I posted:

"As he ends his first year in office, Mr. Trump is redefining what it means to be president. He sees the highest office in the land much as he did the night of his stunning victory over Hillary Clinton — as a prize he must fight to protect every waking moment, and Twitter is his Excalibur. Despite all his bluster, he views himself less as a titan dominating the world stage than a maligned outsider engaged in a struggle to be taken seriously, according to interviews with 60 advisers, associates, friends and members of Congress

For other presidents, every day is a test of how to lead a country, not just a faction, balancing competing interests. For Mr. Trump, every day is an hour-by-hour battle for self-preservation. He still relitigates last year’s election, convinced that the investigation by Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel, into Russia’s interference is a plot to delegitimize him. Color-coded maps highlighting the counties he won were hung on the White House walls.

Before taking office, Mr. Trump told top aides to think of each presidential day as an episode in a television show in which he vanquishes rivals. People close to him estimate that Mr. Trump spends at least four hours a day, and sometimes as much as twice that, in front of a television, sometimes with the volume muted, marinating in the no-holds-barred wars of cable news and eager to fire back."

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"Before taking office, Mr. Trump told top aides to think of each presidential day as an episode in a television show in which he vanquishes rivals".

I suggest, that since he sees every day as a battle to protect himself and his position, he takes every opportunity to slam those he perceives as his enemies, and thus we see him telling far more "unkind lies" then might otherwise be the case. He's in a prizefight every day he sits in that office. He slams his "enemies", including our 4th estate, our press, the watchdogs of our democracy, and indeed telling lies about them is only natural from his perspective. The fact that some in that free press have been quite sloppy with the facts of late certainly does not help, and helps him in this daily war against anyone who opposes him.

Further, creating a totally fake reality is a part of his path to vanquishing his enemy, and maintains the support of his base. It's basic: tell a lie often enough, and people begin to believe that lie. Hence we find ourselves in the situation that exists today: a fake reality or fake narrative that butts up against the truth of the matter all the time, and which is helping create a situation where a % of the American public are fully committed to that fake narrative, believe in it 100%, and are unwavering in believing their President is actually telling the truth with his lies, and is under attack by "the lying media".

Those who have eyes to see can readily see what's going on here, and our understandably concerned by his tactics, since it is clearly damaging to our democracy to help create a fake narrative/reality that will continue to exist after he has left that office. It's the whole problem of the so-called Post Truth era that nobody more then Donald Trump and his propaganda organs, like Fox News, are helping to establish as the norm in the United States. When we get to the point where facts vs. alternative facts(thanks Kelly Conway!) is the daily fare, we are in deep trouble.

 

[Red]

You'd have to be living in a cave somewhere not to have know that this tweet was on its way before the ink on the New York Times report was dry. Simply recall a previous lie by Trump: that he has no time for watching much TV because he's too busy reading documents. And anybody believing Trump spends a lot of time reading anything(well I understand he does read newspapers) would also have to be living under a rock. So, here we go with Trump's latest lie, he does not watch TV 4-8 hours a day and the New York Times is lying by saying he does. The Times stands by its report:

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...ort-that-he-watches-up-to-8-hours-of-tv-a-day

 

[Harambe]

You'd have to be living in a cave somewhere not to have know that this tweet was on its way before the ink on the New York Times report was dry. Simply recall a previous lie by Trump: that he has no time for watching much TV because he's too busy reading documents. And anybody believing Trump spends a lot of time reading anything(well I understand he does read newspapers) would also have to be living under a rock. So, here we go with Trump's latest lie, he does not watch TV 4-8 hours a day and the New York Times is lying by saying he does. The Times stands by its report:

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...ort-that-he-watches-up-to-8-hours-of-tv-a-day

Of course it's a lie. I mean, he's tweeting from 5-9. If he's doing that he clearly can't be watching faux and friends.

rite?

 

[DutchJazzer]

torlololol politicians and governments lie, that is why we nee dto reduce its power.!

 

[Red]

Of course it's a lie. I mean, he's tweeting from 5-9. If he's doing that he clearly can't be watching faux and friends.

rite?

He's a busy little beaver. No time for TV. No time for golf.