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So are you going to argue that because it kills everything it leads to soil erosion? I'm willing to bet Monsanto manages their soil just fine.

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Here's the point, but let me briefly digress and I will watch the film again in the next day or two to get my facts right because I saw it more than a year ago, maybe longer. It came out in 2014.

Are you up on the cutting-edge research they're doing and learning about the microbiome, how we have billions of microscopic bacteria in our bodies that keeps us healthy, and why people are into kombucha and other fermented foods and drinks? Well, my understanding is the GE products are engineered to resist Roundup Ready, which in turn kills all other (I don't if it's a total wipeout), but many of the countless micoorganisms that live in the soil and that not only are beneficial but essential to its health -- according to Symphony of the Soil, this does erode the topsoil of many of these important microorganisms that promote soil health. Now you say it doesn't, but it does kill all the competitors of the GE product, correct? Why don't you watch the movie because it explains this a lot better than me and I will watch it again, but it might be of interest to you. It discusses the issue with farmers, agronomists, soil scientists, etc. You have more understanding of this, so if there is bias you would be able to detect it better than me.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
You didn't answer the most important question. Does the Roundup Ready kill everything but the GE product? That's what matters, and if it does, that proves my point.
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IIRC Roundup is a broadleaf herbicide so it wouldn't kill everything. It kills (non gmo)broadleaf plants.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
Here's the point, but let me briefly digress and I will watch the film again in the next day or two to get my facts right because I saw it more than a year ago, maybe longer. It came out in 2014.

Are you up on the cutting-edge research they're doing and learning about the microbiome, how we have billions of microscopic bacteria in our bodies that keeps us healthy, and why people are into kombucha and other fermented foods and drinks? Well, my understanding is the GE products are engineered to resist Roundup Ready, which in turn kills all other (I don't if it's a total wipeout), but many of the countless micoorganisms that live in the soil and that not only are beneficial but essential to its health -- according to Symphony of the Soil, this does erode the topsoil of many of these important microorganisms that promote soil health. Now you say it doesn't, but it does kill all the competitors of the GE product, correct? Why don't you watch the movie because it explains this a lot better than me and I will watch it again, but it might be of interest to you. It discusses the issue with farmers, agronomists, soil scientists, etc. You have more understanding of this, so if there is bias you would be able to detect it better than me.
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Roundup kills plants, not organisms, bacteria, what have you. Plants. Nothing else. This is really, really simple stuff that you can look up anywhere.

Now then, you've mentioned cultivation several times, I've asked you to expound on that, but you haven't yet. Will you please do so?
 
Pretty sure we should trust JTT over Eenie here.

On a side note, if we need someone to stalk (no pun intended) a player, Eenie's your man. Or was that AKMVP?
 
JustTheTip said:
Roundup kills plants, not organisms, bacteria, what have you. Plants. Nothing else. This is really, really simple stuff that you can look up anywhere.

Now then, you've mentioned cultivation several times, I've asked you to expound on that, but you haven't yet. Will you please do so?
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I'm not a farmer, so I was referring to cultivation in a more broad sense -- the use of pesticides / Roundup Ready as a part of cultivation, so I may have used it incorrectly. Anyway, I will watch "Symphony of the Soil" again and tell you in more detail its claims. Like I said, it's been awhile, and the thing that made the big impression on me, or the takeaway, if you will, was its claim of eroding the top soil because it kills so many microorganisms that are essential components of it.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
I'm not a farmer, so I was referring to cultivation in a more broad sense -- the use of pesticides / Roundup Ready as a part of cultivation, so I may have used it incorrectly. Anyway, I will watch "Symphony of the Soil" again and tell you in more detail its claims. Like I said, it's been awhile, and the thing that made the big impression on me, or the takeaway, if you will, was its claim of eroding the top soil because it kills so many microorganisms that are essential components of it.
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Oh.

Well that's a stupid claim. Roundup kills plants, nothing else.

Try a little fact checking next time.
 
The problem with some of these documentaries is they assume large scale farms can do what their gardens or little 5 acre farms do.

I'm sure some of you have organic gardens, which is great if you do. Think of the labor you put into that. Picking weeds, planting, harvesting, watering, the works. And an average garden is what, 20x20? Maybe? So that's 400 sq ft. Which is 0.9% of one acre. Not a lot.

Now personally, I'll say we farm 1000 acres. It's actually a little more, but 1000 is a nice number to use. And just an FYI, we are considered a small farm. So doing the math, that garden is 0.0009% of my farm. Now think back to the labor you out in. How can we do that large scale? I can barely find enough labor the way things are now. I'd have to, at minimum, quadruple my labor force. Good luck with that. And that's not even taking into effect trying to make a profit, which is hard enough as is.

So that's my main complaint with documentaries like this. They aren't realistic. It's just not possible if you want to have any type of standards at all.
 
JustTheTip said:
The problem with some of these documentaries is they assume large scale farms can do what their gardens or little 5 acre farms do.

I'm sure some of you have organic gardens, which is great if you do. Think of the labor you put into that. Picking weeds, planting, harvesting, watering, the works. And an average garden is what, 20x20? Maybe? So that's 400 sq ft. Which is 0.9% of one acre. Not a lot.

Now personally, I'll say we farm 1000 acres. It's actually a little more, but 1000 is a nice number to use. And just an FYI, we are considered a small farm. So doing the math, that garden is 0.0009% of my farm. Now think back to the labor you out in. How can we do that large scale? I can barely find enough labor the way things are now. I'd have to, at minimum, quadruple my labor force. Good luck with that. And that's not even taking into effect trying to make a profit, which is hard enough as is.

So that's my main complaint with documentaries like this. They aren't realistic. It's just not possible if you want to have any type of standards at all.
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Stop, ****ing stop. You're speaking way too logically and intelligently now.
 
JustTheTip said:
The problem with some of these documentaries is they assume large scale farms can do what their gardens or little 5 acre farms do.

I'm sure some of you have organic gardens, which is great if you do. Think of the labor you put into that. Picking weeds, planting, harvesting, watering, the works. And an average garden is what, 20x20? Maybe? So that's 400 sq ft. Which is 0.9% of one acre. Not a lot.

Now personally, I'll say we farm 1000 acres. It's actually a little more, but 1000 is a nice number to use. And just an FYI, we are considered a small farm. So doing the math, that garden is 0.0009% of my farm. Now think back to the labor you out in. How can we do that large scale? I can barely find enough labor the way things are now. I'd have to, at minimum, quadruple my labor force. Good luck with that. And that's not even taking into effect trying to make a profit, which is hard enough as is.

So that's my main complaint with documentaries like this. They aren't realistic. It's just not possible if you want to have any type of standards at all.
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Wes Mantooth said:
Stop, ****ing stop. You're speaking way too logically and intelligently now.
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This. Stahhhhhhp.



As an aside, I make my own sauerkraut. It is WAY WAY better than anything you can buy in the store. I also make pickles which are pretty good too. And in Germany I got into fermenting hot peppers and making a version of tabasco and a fermented jalapeno relish that is seriously awesome. Love that fermented food, and that microbiome ****.
 
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