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Eenie-Meenie said:
And an unbiased person not clouded by personal issues might question the troublesome reports. Is the science solid? Maybe so far as the effects of GMOs on human biology, but like I have maintained from the start, it's not the GMOs, it's the glyphosate.

I think this is all I'm going to say about this. I'm glad I started this discussion because I have learned some things from Tip. People can reflect on it if they wish. Post all you want but I would appreciate people not calling me names for starting an intelligent discussion, which I think all viewpoints here can learn something from. I have an opinion based on my own reasoning and I'm just asking legitimate questions.
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Interesting article on the safety of roundup. Turns out that the glyphosate isn't the bad thing in it for humans, and even the bad thing isn't that bad as it has a very limited exposure. There is also some debate about the whole thing, but I thought this article was balanced and interesting.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/weed-whacking-herbicide-p/

POEA was recognized as a common inert ingredient in herbicides in the 1980s, when researchers linked it to a group of poisonings in Japan. Doctors there examined patients who drank Roundup, either intentionally or accidentally, and determined that their sicknesses and deaths were due to POEA, not glyphosate.
POEA is a surfactant, or detergent, derived from animal fat. It is added to Roundup and other herbicides to help them penetrate plants' surfaces, making the weed killer more effective.
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Eenie-Meenie said:
You're so bleepin ignorant ... since when do we eat PCBs. They're not the name of a cereal.
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Consumption ain't limited to eating bonehead.


Anyway I tell y'all why GMO ever became a think. The Great US of A feeds the damn world. Are engineerin an capitalist society has been destroyin farming culture in other countries for decades by dumpin cheap food. We simply kick arse. So Europe comes up with this trade protectionism on GMO an beef an **** ta keep us out there markets. That is what my farmer neighbors tell me.
 
Boris said:
I think we should git rid of DDT cause malaria is so much more better. Oh wait, you liberal hippies already done that when we were on the verge of exterminating malaria. Now thousands of people die thanks to you.
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I just want to briefly intrude, as an ex hippie, and put in a good word for Rachel.

http://www.slate.com/articles/healt...der_clears_up_myths_about_rachel_carson_.html

"It’s true that Carson found little good to say about DDT or any of its toxic cousins—the chlorinated aromatic hydrocarbon insecticides developed in the years after World War II and after the Swiss chemist Paul Muller had won a Nobel Prize for discovering DDT. But it’s a stretch to see how the mood surrounding Silent Spring was the prime cause of DDT’s exit from the fight against malaria. And, as the New York Times and other publications proved, it was understood by anyone who took time to read Silent Spring that Carson was not an absolutist seeking to stop all pesticide use.

DDT had been effective against malaria in Europe, in Northern Africa, in parts of India and southern Asia, and even in the southern United States, where the disease was already being routed by other means. But these were mostly developed areas. Using DDT in places like sub-Saharan Africa, with its remote and hard-to-reach villages, had long been considered problematic. It was an old story and one still repeated: Africa was everybody’s lowest priority.

And in any case, the World Health Organization had begun to question its malaria-eradication program even before Silent Springwas published. One object lesson was that the heavy use of DDT in many parts of the world was producing new strains of mosquitoes resistant to the insecticide. Much as it can happen with antibiotics, the use of an environmental poison clears susceptible organisms from the ecosystem and allows those with immunity to take over. The WHO also faced declining interest in the disease among scientists and sharp reductions in funding from the international community.

When the recently created Environmental Protection Agency banned DDT for most domestic uses in 1972, this ruling had no force in other parts of the world and the insecticide remained part of the international anti-malaria arsenal. The United States continued to manufacture and export DDT until the mid-1980s, and it has always been available from pesticide makers in other countries.

One result is that DDT is still with us—globally adrift in the atmosphere from spraying operations in various parts of the world, and also from its continuing volatilization from soils in which it has lain dormant for decades. The threat of DDT to wildlife—as a deadly neurotoxin in many species and a destroyer of reproductive capabilities in others—has never been in doubt. Carson’s claims in Silent Spring about DDT’s connection to human cancer and other disorders have not been completely resolved. The National Toxicology Program lists DDT as “reasonably anticipated to be a human carcinogen.” The same holds for two of its common break-down products, DDD and DDE, which are also suspected of causing developmental problems in humans.

These are cloudy but worrisome presumptions. DDT is stored in fat tissues—including ours—and that storage amplifies with repeated exposures over time, as well as through food chains, with unpredictable consequences. We walk around with our personal body-burden of DDT, a poison we still consume both from its decades-old residuals and its ongoing uses. If Rachel Carson hoped to end the use of DDT and our exposure to it, she did a lousy job.

In 2006, the World Health Organization announced a renewed commitment to fighting malaria with DDT, mainly in Africa—where the WHO had never lifted its approval for this purpose. The move was backed by environmental groups, as it surely would have been by Rachel Carson had she been with us still."

See also:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/22/us/rachel-carson-ddt-malaria-retro-report.html
 
JustTheTip said:
Guys, guys, 30 years of studies is now anecdotal evidence.

What a world we live in.
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He thinks being a farmer just means you grew up on a farm and now you get up when the rooster crows to go out and feed the chickens and cows then you get on your tractor and plow the field then come home and churn some butter. No education required, you're obviously just a dumb farmer who's been bought off by Monsanto.
 
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