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What would world look like if only 4 degree Celsius warmer.

DutchJazzer said:
as long as i can remember september was called hurricane season. it was called hurricane season way before any of us wa sborn

1 hurricane does not a season make!

so you are saying because 2 hurricanes happen we need government to fix the global climate?
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Just a simple observation. You seem to continually misunderstand what the science says regarding the causation of hurricanes, or you are in fact misleading with your comments in order to perpetuate the notion that you are somehow truthfully and accurately presenting the science by claiming these falsehoods. Namely that climate scientists are claiming global warming causes hurricanes. Why not start being honest with your arguments? Over whose eyes are you trying to pull the wool? Let some things sink in. You are not being honest with your arguments and characterization of the science. You are in fact acting out of political reasons.

Now here, you will find much to like here, that supports your view. While undermining your claim that the consensus in climate science revolves around global warming causing hurricanes, rather then worsening aspects of hurricanes:

https://www.skepticalscience.com/hurricanes-global-warming.htm

"So far, all we’ve managed is to document here is what we don’t know for sure yet. But we do know there is extra energy in the system now, so could it have any other effects on tropical storms? Here, the science is far less equivocal, and there is a broad consensus that storms are increasing in strength, or severity. This attribute, called the Power Dissipation Index, measures the duration and intensity (wind speed) of storms, and research has found that since the mid-1970s, there has been an increase in the energy of storms.

Recent research has shown that we are experiencing more storms with higher wind speeds, and these storms will be more destructive, last longer and make landfall more frequently than in the past. Because this phenomenon is strongly associated with sea surface temperatures, it is reasonable to suggest a strong probability that the increase in storm intensity and climate change are linked."
 
There is a treaty that says that Antarctica is for scientific research and is international territory. So much like the oceans it is "owned" by the US Navy.
 
Red said:
Just a simple observation. You seem to continually misunderstand what the science says regarding the causation of hurricanes, or you are in fact misleading with your comments in order to perpetuate the notion that you are somehow truthfully and accurately presenting the science by claiming these falsehoods. Namely that climate scientists are claiming global warming causes hurricanes. Why not start being honest with your arguments? Over whose eyes are you trying to pull the wool? Let some things sink in. You are not being honest with your arguments and characterization of the science. You are in fact acting out of political reasons.

Now here, you will find much to like here, that supports your view. While undermining your claim that the consensus in climate science revolves around global warming causing hurricanes, rather then worsening aspects of hurricanes:

https://www.skepticalscience.com/hurricanes-global-warming.htm

"So far, all we’ve managed is to document here is what we don’t know for sure yet. But we do know there is extra energy in the system now, so could it have any other effects on tropical storms? Here, the science is far less equivocal, and there is a broad consensus that storms are increasing in strength, or severity. This attribute, called the Power Dissipation Index, measures the duration and intensity (wind speed) of storms, and research has found that since the mid-1970s, there has been an increase in the energy of storms.

Recent research has shown that we are experiencing more storms with higher wind speeds, and these storms will be more destructive, last longer and make landfall more frequently than in the past. Because this phenomenon is strongly associated with sea surface temperatures, it is reasonable to suggest a strong probability that the increase in storm intensity and climate change are linked."
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nobody reads your posts

most read Dutch's
 
our last two winters have been relatively extremely long and harsh. I wish this global warming thing would bloody well take off a bit quicker.
 
DutchJazzer said:
as long as i can remember september was called hurricane season. it was called hurricane season way before any of us wa sborn

1 hurricane does not a season make!

so you are saying because 2 hurricanes happen we need government to fix the global climate?
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You keep saying this so I will just assume your brain cells have limited capacity.

Climate change isn't creating new storms called a hurricane. It's intensifying a storm that has already existed. That's why meteorologists keep using words like "record breaking" and "historic" when they have been talking about these recent hurricanes.

Let me know if you want me to draw you a picture using some crayons to help explain.
 
Red said:
Just a simple observation. You seem to continually misunderstand what the science says regarding the causation of hurricanes, or you are in fact misleading with your comments in order to perpetuate the notion that you are somehow truthfully and accurately presenting the science by claiming these falsehoods. Namely that climate scientists are claiming global warming causes hurricanes. Why not start being honest with your arguments? Over whose eyes are you trying to pull the wool? Let some things sink in. You are not being honest with your arguments and characterization of the science. You are in fact acting out of political reasons.

Now here, you will find much to like here, that supports your view. While undermining your claim that the consensus in climate science revolves around global warming causing hurricanes, rather then worsening aspects of hurricanes:

https://www.skepticalscience.com/hurricanes-global-warming.htm

"So far, all we’ve managed is to document here is what we don’t know for sure yet. But we do know there is extra energy in the system now, so could it have any other effects on tropical storms? Here, the science is far less equivocal, and there is a broad consensus that storms are increasing in strength, or severity. This attribute, called the Power Dissipation Index, measures the duration and intensity (wind speed) of storms, and research has found that since the mid-1970s, there has been an increase in the energy of storms.

Recent research has shown that we are experiencing more storms with higher wind speeds, and these storms will be more destructive, last longer and make landfall more frequently than in the past. Because this phenomenon is strongly associated with sea surface temperatures, it is reasonable to suggest a strong probability that the increase in storm intensity and climate change are linked."
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Are you a Christian? I hear this intensity increase argument from cherry pickin Christians fer all my life. Claimin earthquake frequency is a sign of the times an all.

Wait is earthquake frequency intensifyin caused by global warmin to?
 
MVP said:
Canada and Russia is the future!!!

http://bigthink.com/strange-maps/what-the-world-will-look-like-4degc-warmer

Warmer_World.jpg
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Didn't want to read this stupid thread.

Wrong picture.

What will the world look like if it gets 10 C colder? That's what is most likely.

too many carbon sinks sequester CO2 irreversibly. In the last thirty million years we got too cold except for some brief interglacial warm spells which never last much longer than 15000 years. yah we gotta throw all the CO2 out that we can for maybe 100 years, burn baby burn. Smudge Pot the earth.

Curiously... incongruously, all scientific theories are crap. Ice ages are not "cold" except where it's cold. It takes warm oceans to produce the water vapor the make all that snow and ice. When that heat is used up, the snowfalls drop off, and net melting begins. The most susceptible area on the globe to Ice Age accumulations is the Hudson Bay/Great Lakes area that is fed moisture from the Gulf of Mexico. Russia doesn't get that kind of moisture, anywhere.

No science research is being done on the whole ocean, top to bottom, establishing temp profiles on the depth axis. It's all "surface" nonsense. 95% OF THE HEAT POWERING EVAPORATION HAS TO COME UP FROM THE DEPTHS.

That is what makes the El Nino roll. That is what powers the super hurricanes and winter mega storms.


We had some good snow this year across the Sierras and the high peaks of the West. It didn't all melt. Within about two weeks the winter storm systems will begin to deposit snow on top of all that. And we've got vast areas and depths of warmer water than we've had in the past. Gonna be a big snow year again in the Sierras.
 
Boris said:
Are you a Christian? I hear this intensity increase argument from cherry pickin Christians fer all my life. Claimin earthquake frequency is a sign of the times an all.

Wait is earthquake frequency intensifyin caused by global warmin to?
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well, geologically it is excess internal heat inside the mantle of the earth's crust that increases fluidity of the molten and semi-molten rock beneath and yes causes earthquakes and volcanos. It's a natural thing because of cyclical dispersion/concentration events relative to Uranium, Thorium and whatever other radioactive heavy elements exist. The core heats up, hot fluids rise and do their bit. Then things cool off for some millions of years while the dispersed heavy elements sorta sink back towards the center, increasing fission again for a while, until things get hot enough to re-start the cycle of rising currents of very hot fluid magma..... etc etc.

CO2 is pretty much nothing to do with it.....

Any pseudo-prophetic informed geologist would tell you the earth will have some phases of increased earthquakes and volcanos.

And, btw, when those heat fluxes warm the oceans at depth, those oceans can sustain stronger storms on the surface.

If we burn a lot of stuff and make the earth's atmosphere something like a smudge pot, most of that CO2 is going to be chemically deposited as carbonate rock within a few years, maybe some more photosynthesis will create a burden of plant growth, with hydrocarbon deposits in the mud on land and sea, but most of the biocarbon will just decay back to CO2. Sure we get a warmer atmosphere, but the ocean heat is the elephant in the room nobody wants to talk about.

any scientists tracking heat flux emanating from the core?

didn't think so. No political use for that data.......
 
DutchJazzer said:
that tweet is awesome!
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ad hoc opinion without very much data.... wonder how Irma will be steered by the jet stream.... looks to me like most of the movement across the Gulf of Mexico will push Irma out of Florida landfall or even Outer Banks NC landfall....

The professional projections are for Katia in the Gulf to go inland into Mexico and Irma to go right over the coast of Florida all the way to Georgia and along the coast clear up to Virginia.

https://www.wunderground.com/maps/

note the cold front stretching across the Gulf and Florida and up the East Coast. The steering winds will keep Irma from crossing that line, which is advancing south and east. Dunno. Some storms are strong enough to cut their own path....

https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/atlantic/2017/hurricane-irma
 
Boris said:
Are you a Christian? I hear this intensity increase argument from cherry pickin Christians fer all my life. Claimin earthquake frequency is a sign of the times an all.

Wait is earthquake frequency intensifyin caused by global warmin to?
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Google asked me if I wanted a translation. I said no....
 
babe said:
ad hoc opinion without very much data.... wonder how Irma will be steered by the jet stream.... looks to me like most of the movement across the Gulf of Mexico will push Irma out of Florida landfall or even Outer Banks NC landfall....

The professional projections are for Katia in the Gulf to go inland into Mexico and Irma to go right over the coast of Florida all the way to Georgia and along the coast clear up to Virginia.

https://www.wunderground.com/maps/

note the cold front stretching across the Gulf and Florida and up the East Coast. The steering winds will keep Irma from crossing that line, which is advancing south and east. Dunno. Some storms are strong enough to cut their own path....

https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/atlantic/2017/hurricane-irma
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LMAO. Well, the ECMWF, which is the most accurate model, that uses up-to-the-minute-starting conditions, dozens of variables, and a supercomputer cluster that runs it all, is projecting landfall near Miami.

Now I'm not saying that the most accurate model is more reliable than your eyeballing the ocean currents, but it is something to keep in mind.
 
Siro said:
Same. I have Dutch and Boris on ignore, so I have no idea what they're saying. I do skim Red's posts usually.
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This is me too. I skim red (though I usually like what he says it's just too long for me to read usually), and skip almost all of dutch and boris. (I occasionally read a post if theirs)

I also mostly skip babe posts, though I don't have him on ignore.
 
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