Readjusted /revamped expectations after one game

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

He played 15 minutes in a game Hood only played 18. What happens when Hood actually plays?

Well, if he keeps doing what he did against the Nuggets, he will build up his minute while Hood, and others goes down.

I've been a major Burks doubter, he plays selfish unsmart basketball, but I'm giving him a chance if he's making buckets. It's put up or shut up time for Alec.

I have never felt he was selfish, ever!! He's an attacker by nature and style of play. It may come off as selfish, but I've never seen him as a selfish player. Personally I don't understand u people sometimes. All of a sudden he's not selfish, and plays smart because he played well. Had he missed his threes and a few of his other shots he'd taken, u same people would be saying he plays outside the context of the offense, and plays selfishly and all this other crap, while still playing the same as he always has. When healthy and getting minutes, he's always been a positive force for the jazz. There isn't anyone better to lead the second unit.

Yeah, I am in the camp of waiting a few more games. Let's see if a trend develops.

Why? Both Favers and Burks have shown through preseason, and game#1 they are healthy, they've proven the players they are when healthy. They are both still young and coming into their primes. Show some faith!! Get on board already. The only thing they need to prove to me is that their injury issues are behind them. They've proven already that if healthy, they are most definitely a part of the jazz future.

 

[Stoked]

Well, if he keeps doing what he did against the Nuggets, he will build up his minute while Hood, and others goes down.


I have never felt he was selfish, ever!! He's an attacker by nature and style of play. It may come off as selfish, but I've never seen him as a selfish player. Personally I don't understand u people sometimes. All of a sudden he's not selfish, and plays smart because he played well. Had he missed his threes and a few of his other shots he'd taken, u same people would be saying he plays outside the context of the offense, and plays selfishly and all this other crap, while still playing the same as he always has. When healthy and getting minutes, he's always been a positive force for the jazz. There isn't anyone better to lead the second unit.


Why? Both Favers and Burks have shown through preseason, and game#1 they are healthy, they've proven the players they are when healthy. They are both still young and coming into their primes. Show some faith!! Get on board already. The only thing they need to prove to me is that their injury issues are behind them. They've proven already that if healthy, they are most definitely a part of the jazz future.

Lot's of reasons. Their MPG, Jazz lineups (their role), intensity and competition levels have gone up. I try not to take 1 game and make that a solid predictor of future success or failure. Let's see what they do on the road and with a tougher team. Obviously I am hopeful but let's just cheer them on and see where this goes.

 

[Jack Strop]

At the very least, AB needs to be kept until a decision is made on Hood. What if Hood is still inconsistent, averages around 16 per game, misses 15 with various injuries and demands $20m+? I'd say buh-bye and if a starter can't be found this summer, then Alec is still a rotational player or expiring to include in a trade.

Right now, paired with Mitchell, he's able to take some pressure off the rookie. Quin originally did not want to play DM as a PG. And Mitchell said he plays differently when in that role. But with no Exum, DM is having to be a play maker. Alec helps in that respect.

I might be alone in my thinking, but I still believe Rubio and Mitchell should be the starters, with Ingles off the bench, and a bigger 3 needs to be found. In that scenario, Hood is traded or leaves in free agency. Mitchell is just too good not to be a starter and I don't think Hood can guard opposing 3's.

 

[tleikheen]

I'm hoping Favors plays only PF this year and Udoh gets the backup spot behind Gobert exclusively.Favors was moving around easily and had his explosion back which bodes well for his weakside help on defense.Udoh did just fine manning the middle with Favors and with JJ.
Burks playing as well as he did is going to get him 15/18 minutes a game playing behind Hood but I think the minutes trend up as he gets his playing shape back.Also because Mitchell is raw at PG and it won't be as easy as most here think for him to be good running the team.Burks will alleviate that pressure playing with Mitchell.

 

[jope]

Hood isn't a bad defender and is certainly better than Burks on d.

Hood is a bad defender. Both he and Burks scored a -0.9 DBPM last season, and Rodney had a worse defensive rating than Alec, clear up there at 107 (thats pretty bad... that's the same D Rtg as Enes Kanter last season)

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Lot's of reasons. Their MPG, Jazz lineups (their role), intensity and competition levels have gone up. I try not to take 1 game and make that a solid predictor of future success or failure. Let's see what they do on the road and with a tougher team.

You don't think the nuggets are a good team. I saw them as a sure lotto team, but after that game I'm not sure it's a sure thing they are a lotto team. Burks and Favors are part of why we won that game after the nuggets dominated for almost three quarters. Maybe Burks should've played more minutes. If Quin wanted to start Burks over Hood, I'd be fine with it, honestly, in my eyes Hood has more to prove then Burks does.


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[Stoked]

You don't think the nuggets are a good team. I saw them as a sure lotto team, but after that game I'm not sure it's a sure thing they are a lotto team. Burks and Favors are part of why we won that game after the nuggets dominated for almost three quarters. Maybe Burks should've played more minutes. If Quin wanted to start Burks over Hood, I'd be fine with it, honestly, in my eyes Hood has more to prove then Burks does.


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I never said the Nuggets were a lotto team. At most I said that I think the Wolves are a better team than the Nuggets. I agree that Hood has a lot to prove this season. Burks over Hood at this point seems rather silly. If anything your post only backs up my point of let's give this some games and see what develops. Who rises and who doesn't.

 

[gomretat]

might as well go down hatin', eh?

I was thinking the same thing. Trying to stand ground instead of retreating. Three words are worth considering and come in very handy - "I was wrong"

 

[fishonjazz]

I've been a major Burks doubter, he plays selfish unsmart basketball, but I'm giving him a chance if he's making buckets. It's put up or shut up time for Alec.

He has never played selfishly if selfish in this instance means ball hogging.

Go back over his career stats year by year and you will find that he is never near the top on the team in field goal attempts even when accounting for his lower minutes played by using per 36 numbers.
And remember that for a lot of his career he was supposed to be the scorer off the bench. Meaning he should, by design, take lots of shots per minute played. Yet still didnt.
It's a myth that he is a ball hog/chucker/black hole.

Poor defender? Sure. Bad shot selection? Yup. Low IQ player? Fine.
Selfish? Nope.

 

[Ron Mexico]

My expectations are that this team is better than last years team. That still stands.

Although I still think losing Exum for the year is a bummer and will hurt the team a bit, but not that much as long as Burks and Mitchell stay relatively healthy. Although I dont think Mitchell is a good PG and is better suited at SG and Exum is better suited at PG. But it did clear up playing time for Burks and maybe for Mitchell that would have been hard to get all three minutes. It seems 1 of those three is not going to be here after this season.

Favors is still going to be a tough one. I think he will play very well this year and hopefully stay healthy. But he is a UFA which is scary for this team. Although Favors likes stability so he might just opt to stay for a decent deal again. I think he averages about 15 points, 7 boards and 3 assists.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

I never said the Nuggets were a lotto team. At most I said that I think the Wolves are a better team than the Nuggets. I agree that Hood has a lot to prove this season. Burks over Hood at this point seems rather silly. If anything your post only backs up my point of let's give this some games and see what develops. Who rises and who doesn't.

Didn't say he should, but if Quin chose to do so, I'd be fine.


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[enchilada_style]

Hood is a bad defender. Both he and Burks scored a -0.9 DBPM last season, and Rodney had a worse defensive rating than Alec, clear up there at 107 (thats pretty bad... that's the same D Rtg as Enes Kanter last season)

That was bold.

 

[Stoked]

Didn't say he should, but if Quin chose to do so, I'd be fine.


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Fair enough. I think he will keep Hood in the starting lineup for now. I wonder how Mitchell will factor into all that as well. he did go with Mitchell to start over Burks.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Fair enough. I think he will keep Hood in the starting lineup for now. I wonder how Mitchell will factor into all that as well. he did go with Mitchell to start over Burks.

That's because Burks role is defined as the #1 option in the second unit. I would've done the same thing. Players like Burks, who are talented enough to be starters, but don't complain about not starting are valuable assets


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[Saint Cy of JFC]

That's because Burks role is defined as the #1 option in the second unit. I would've done the same thing. Players like Burks, who are talented enough to be starters, but don't complain about not starting are valuable assets


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The #1 option off the bench gets 15 minutes?

Mitchell is going to be the #1 option off the bench.

 

[tleikheen]

The #1 option off the bench gets 15 minutes?

It had nothing to do with Burk's play as far I saw ,he excelled and Mitchell hasn't shown he deserves to be #1 scoring option off the bench or be anointed on potential.

 

[gomretat]

Where we are right now is why these kind of threads don't make sense after one game or even after 5 games.