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Playoff centers, the Jazz, and Fes

NUMBERICA said:
The answer to the question you didn't ask is that he doesn't play because he's not a good basketball player. He's a poor rebounder for his position (let alone his insane size, power, and mobility), he generally has a poor motor, he generally plays poor team D, he has a poor basketball (and otherwise) IQ, and of course that means he's inconsistent. I'm done with the kid.
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Yes, I noticed how bad he was that last game he played against the Lakers. Bynum is such a chump, everyone stops him completely like Fes did.

Fes will never be a great basketball player. He IS an effective basketball player, the best big defender the jazz have by far (favors may change that). Those personal D stats that someone posted from Locke showed him with a rating near Dwight Howard's. Until someone better comes along, he should average 20 mpg.

And the playoffs are PROVING that a team can be very successful giving significant regular minutes to a center who plays D only.
Garsh, how was the Jazz playoff run this year? How was their interior D?
 
zman1527 said:
Yes, I noticed how bad he was that last game he played against the Lakers. Bynum is such a chump, everyone stops him completely like Fes did.

Fes will never be a great basketball player. He IS an effective basketball player, the best big defender the jazz have by far (favors may change that). Those personal D stats that someone posted from Locke showed him with a rating near Dwight Howard's. Until someone better comes along, he should average 20 mpg.

And the playoffs are PROVING that a team can be very successful giving significant regular minutes to a center who plays D only.
Garsh, how was the Jazz playoff run this year? How was their interior D?
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You are not coming from a position where you can be the *******. Your position is that it's everyone else's fault that a guy couldn't find minutes on good teams or bad and under two different coaches. That's absurd, chill out.

The brilliance of Locke's analysis is that it did NOTHING to take into consideration team defense. At all. None. You're attacking an argument I didn't make. Fes is a big dumb ox and he does well with his matchup, but so what? The game is so much more than one-on-one, and positionally, the position that matters least in one-on-one is the center position for the PRECISE reason you brought up this thread: centers in the modern NBA are schmucks when it comes to offense by-and-large.

You answer my charge that Fes is inconsistent by mentioning one game? AND you're going to get obnoxious with me and doing so with the implied point that Fes was the reason the Jazz didn't make the playoffs? Keep that **** coming, Auerbach.
 
If you want to look at the reason the Jazz had bad interior D, it's the opposite of the reason you think it is. Jefferson is a retard on team D (but he's good against his matchup) and he uses all the minutes. Plugging in Fesenko who's worse at that and that's not going to help. And even if it did, 20 mpg off the bench (and against bench players) is supposed to turn the team around?

Interior D is paramount to success in the league. Absolutely paramount. But Fes isn't even close to the answer. More importantly than all of that, you have to have a coaching staff that is dedicated to teaching, emphasizing it, scheming it, and finding a way to get the players to buy into it. I've seen little evidence the Jazz have the brains up-top to even implement the right players. Thibodeau has done a lot with little on four different teams now in that regard (on any of those teams, you will find half the roster wasn't considered a stopper individually). The Jazz haven't done **** on D since 2004, and it's not just the players. Defense is 5-players and a coaching staff.
 
NUMBERICA said:
If you want to look at the reason the Jazz had bad interior D, it's the opposite of the reason you think it is. Jefferson is a retard on team D and he uses all the minutes. Plugging in Fesenko who's worse at that and that's not going to help. And even if it did, 20 mpg off the bench (and against bench players) is supposed to turn the team around?
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We disagree. Fes plugs the lane and contributes to the team D that way. I think the team D gets much better with him in there. While you can argue with those D stats, it does not mean they have zero importance. I think they reflect reality. I do agree with you about jefferson. I am not sold on him at all and guess what, the D stats agreed: he was ranked about 168 if I remember.

Is Fes lack of PT why the Jazz did not make the playoffs? No, but he would have improved their chances. They just had too many other issues.

Is it puzzling that he does not get more PT? Yes, and as I stated above one can only guess. I think when you see them play Jefferson and Sap together you have to question just how important defense is to them. I suspect it is over emphasis on the offensive scheme and guys who fit that best, defense be damned. Remember the old quote from Sloan about starting a certain suspect player (Benoit?) was because "he got to the right spots on the floor"?

What I see when Fes gets significant minutes is a very positive impact. He should get more PT on a regular basis.
 
ElRoach0 said:
This. If anyone's a defensive stopper down low for the Bulls, it's Taj Gibson. That dude isn't the keystone of that team, but they wouldn't be in the conference finals without him.
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Gray plays for the Hornets, not the Bulls.
 
I see the positives of having Fes on the court - at least half the time. The other half he's still really big. Fes is a bit of a tease since if we could just give him a brain transplant all that potential might be maximized. But at least he's got a big dumb body. For the right price I'd rather have that on the bench than Mutley (Jeffers).
 
BENTLEY said:
I see the positives of having Fes on the court - at least half the time. The other half he's still really big. Fes is a bit of a tease since if we could just give him a brain transplant all that potential might be maximized. But at least he's got a big dumb body. For the right price I'd rather have that on the bench than Mutley (Jeffers).
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But if we could put Jeffers head on Fes that would be a good player to have.
 
Sirkickyass said:
Anyone want to guess my take on this?
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If you really care about him, you'll reach out to him, let him shack up with you in the Bay Area for the summer, stress to him and his agent that he needs to push hard for a Golden State signing, and then continue said partnership, all the while pushing him to his physical limits much like Apollo did for Rocky in preparation for Clubber Lang. That is, if you really cared about him.
 
KrazeeEyezKilla said:
If you really care about him, you'll reach out to him, let him shack up with you in the Bay Area for the summer, stress to him and his agent that he needs to push hard for a Golden State signing, and then continue said partnership, all the while pushing him to his physical limits much like Apollo did for Rocky in preparation for Clubber Lang. That is, if you really cared about him.
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I don't plan on living in the Bay Area by the time the season starts, so that would be pretty counter-productive.
 
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