Central tank command : the official thread

[yamers]

We lost Hayward but also DL built the team too lopsided. All defense and no offense. In todays NBA, as we're finding out, a good offense is the best defense. Look at Boston, they have no elite individual defenders except perhaps Smart, but are the #1 defense in the league. Why? A great offense.

they play team defense.

 

[The Midnight]

I've said this numerous times here before, Hayward's leaving (without us getting anything in return) has left a HUGE talent gap on our team. Compare that to Indiana or Chicago who re-tooled on the fly with the talent that they got back for Paul George and Jimmy Butler respectively.


What does that mean? To me it means we need to re-gather and grab more talent, and the best way to do that is through the draft.


It pains me to say it, after some promising years, but with Hayward leaving unexpectedly, we need to tank at least 1 more year to grab more talent to compete in today's NBA.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Booooooooooooo, this thread sucks.



Also we are not going to tank. In order to tank we would have to trade Gobert. Then all we are doing is hoping to draft a player that turns out as good as Gobert. The only way we tank is if he goes down with a significant injury and that would suck.

We still got this. We will work through the bumps and get things going and we still have some really good young talent to develop.

Besides the best two prospects we have are Mitchell who we didnt tank for and Gobert who was a very late pick. When we tanked we got Kanter, Burke and Exum. I still think Exum can pan out to be a good player but that is not a guarantee and the other two sucked for us. Those odds are terrible. We just need to keep making smart FA choices and great draft picks.

Also tanking isnt for a season or two. If we go into a tank we are banking on players being drafted to be developed. That will take many years.

 

[mdalby]

After the 2nd half of last night's game, I am firmly in the tank camp.

That was the ugliest, most inept half of offense I think I have ever seen.

 

[SoUjazzfan]

Perhaps this thread is redundant. I would say after that abortion of a third quarter last night we're already in full on tank mode.
Could any professional team really play that bad without trying?

 

[spycam1]

Booooooooooooo, this thread sucks.



Also we are not going to tank. In order to tank we would have to trade Gobert. Then all we are doing is hoping to draft a player that turns out as good as Gobert. The only way we tank is if he goes down with a significant injury and that would suck.

We still got this. We will work through the bumps and get things going and we still have some really good young talent to develop.

Besides the best two prospects we have are Mitchell who we didnt tank for and Gobert who was a very late pick. When we tanked we got Kanter, Burke and Exum. I still think Exum can pan out to be a good player but that is not a guarantee and the other two sucked for us. Those odds are terrible. We just need to keep making smart FA choices and great draft picks.

Also tanking isnt for a season or two. If we go into a tank we are banking on players being drafted to be developed. That will take many years.

We can tank with Gobert still on the team. Our offense is abysmal, and Rudy doesn't change that.

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[Ron Mexico]

We can tank with Gobert still on the team. Our offense is abysmal, and Rudy doesn't change that.

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We wont loose enough games to get a good pick. The only reason to go full tank is to try and get a top 3 pick. We wont get that with him. His elite defense will win us some games. Especially when our shots are falling, which will happen.

Besides if we draft a kid that is 19/20 next year when Rudy is 26 when he is developed and entering his prime around 25/26 Rudy will be on his way down.

So if we go that route we might as well dump Rudy and plan on sucking for the next 5+ years, just like Philly has done.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

We've lost to Phoenix, the Sixers (without Embiid), and got blown out basically by the Clippers. I could see us landing a top 8 - 10 pick without trading out anyone.

Here's my observation:

Defenses are clogging the lane to stop Gobert rolling to the rim, and in most cases, they're getting out on our shooters as well. Rubio and Gobert both have limitations that reduce space, but adding Favors' lack of range, footspeed and versatility in general to the mix just makes things even more difficult. Ideally, Favors is a guy who plays out of the high post (think Joakim Noah or Zaza Pachulia), not 20+ feet out on the floor.

What Quin Snyder is trying to do can work if the players are quick and mobile, but whether it's Hood or Ingles or Favors or Joe Johnson for that matter, these guys just aren't quick enough to take advantage of what little space they're being given, and they're not great shooters off the dribble. That's why Plan B for the Jazz is just to give the ball to Mitchell who is quick enough to create looks for himself in limited space, even if they're difficult looks.

I think realistically, Mitchell is going to take over playing at the 1 as sort of a George Hill on steroids. Or maybe Mitchell and Exum will be a two-guard front. I know people have been critical of Donovan's shot selection, but look at some of the things he has to do just to get the Jazz a look before the shotclock runs out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kECBrq3sd-o


Freeze the video at 0:42. Note that all 5 Jazz players are outside the 3-pt line, while 4 out of 5 Heat defenders are dropping 12 - 15 feet off the Jazz shooter to guard the paint. The only guy actually drawing a defender is Mitchell 28 feet out.

Freeze the video again at 1:27 and you'll see defenders dropping off by 15 feet again. Mitchell has to manufacture a tough shot (and 1) with 6 seconds on the shotclock.

 

[mellow]

More injuries could make this a full stealth tank.

 

[The Midnight]

Booooooooooooo, this thread sucks.



Also we are not going to tank. In order to tank we would have to trade Gobert. Then all we are doing is hoping to draft a player that turns out as good as Gobert. The only way we tank is if he goes down with a significant injury and that would suck.

We still got this. We will work through the bumps and get things going and we still have some really good young talent to develop.

Besides the best two prospects we have are Mitchell who we didnt tank for and Gobert who was a very late pick. When we tanked we got Kanter, Burke and Exum. I still think Exum can pan out to be a good player but that is not a guarantee and the other two sucked for us. Those odds are terrible. We just need to keep making smart FA choices and great draft picks.

Also tanking isnt for a season or two. If we go into a tank we are banking on players being drafted to be developed. That will take many years.

Did the Spurs trade David Robinson before tanking for Duncan?

 

[Siro]

Did the Spurs trade David Robinson before tanking for Duncan?

We simply need to rest Gobert. Team will win about 15 games without him. Too bad it ain't happening. That's neither how the Jazz nor Gobert work.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Did the Spurs trade David Robinson before tanking for Duncan?

No he had an injury that made them sit him for the season. I dont want to see Gobert have a season ending injury. Also the chances of us losing that many games and landing the number 1 pick and that pick turning into a player of Duncans level are very very very low. So low it wont happen. More likely is we tank and end up with a Burke level player.