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Jazz in a tuff spot, too bad to make the playoffs, too good to get a top pick. Hire Sam Hinkie today.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I would love to know what the **** that pick was all about.
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Most everything we did made sense to me this offseason... Ricky was to appease the traitor that won't be named... the other signings were value deals that made sense.

Drafting Bradley (even if he is a quality prospect) was just dumb... I'm sorry, but putting time into developing a backup center is a waste of resources... moving up to do it was even weirder. We got Udoh who is a great backup for cheap... how many big men are available right now... we could have signed a guy like Len if we wanted to... like they are everywhere.

Could have gambled on a number of 3 and D types or some Euro Stash prospect (or both... because we moved up). DL always has one deal per season that always leaves me scratching my head... but they are usually minor so no big deal.

I am really happy with DL though... I'd give him an A so far. We pushed all in on Gordon, which was the right move imo.
 
NAOS said:
How deep is this next draft supposed to be?
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Not as deep as the previous one IMO. But the very top is VERY good. Some GMs think the top 3-4 would have all gone no. 1 if they were in this year's draft.
 
stitches said:
Not as deep as the previous one IMO. But the very top is VERY good. Some GMs think the top 3-4 would have all gone no. 1 if they were in this year's draft.
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I only have eyes for Doncic... Porter would be a good second place... Mid-Lotto I like Bridges, but want to see if the shot is for real.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Remember how the Jazz traded a draft pick that looks kinda good right now for the privilege of Bricky Rubio and his cap number for the next two years? Who coulda seen that being a problem?
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I'm sure the Thunder hit their stride come the new year. And the pick is top 14 protected.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Most everything we did made sense to me this offseason... Ricky was to appease the traitor that won't be named... the other signings were value deals that made sense.

Drafting Bradley (even if he is a quality prospect) was just dumb... I'm sorry, but putting time into developing a backup center is a waste of resources... moving up to do it was even weirder. We got Udoh who is a great backup for cheap... how many big men are available right now... we could have signed a guy like Len if we wanted to... like they are everywhere.

Could have gambled on a number of 3 and D types or some Euro Stash prospect (or both... because we moved up). DL always has one deal per season that always leaves me scratching my head... but they are usually minor so no big deal.

I am really happy with DL though... I'd give him an A so far. We pushed all in on Gordon, which was the right move imo.
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The Jazz barely gave up anything to move up. To call it dumb this early is dumb. You don't know what role Bradley will play for this team through his 4 years here. Maybe by his 3rd year we have a starting level backup to Gobert. Udoh is nice, but the guy has stone hands and can't score even when set-up beautifully. We have seen Gobert is susceptible to getting injured. It's not stupid to invest in a talented backup with upside (a lot of people said Bradley was a potential lottery pick if he stayed at UNC for another year).

In the late 20's you are just trying to draft someone you think can develop. Even if Bradley's absolute ceiling (assuming Gobert stays on the Jazz forever) is an 18 mpg player, then that's still super good from the 27th overall pick.
 
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At this point, there is no 2 man combination of players drafted post-Kuzma and post 42nd overall (the pick the Jazz gave up to move up) that I would say I'm mad that the Jazz passed on to take Bradley.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
At this point, there is no 2 man combination of players drafted post-Kuzma and post 42nd overall (the pick the Jazz gave up to move up) that I would say I'm mad that the Jazz passed on to take Bradley.
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Right now would you rather have Semi/Bell and Brooks?

I don't think it's a major mistake, but I think it is really puzzling... clearly he was not playing this year... if we keep Epke he would play maybe spot minutes in year 2. Then he is a backup in year 3... cool bigs like him come really cheap... and ready to contribute.

Maybe he hits threes and becomes an offensive force on the glass... he's got good hands... just think I'd swing bigger with that pick or try to find a guy that can contribute on his rookie deal on the cheap. Or a guy that gives a different look... like Bell.

So okay I won't say dumb... just really puzzling and one I would not have made.

Also supposedly we jumped SA to get him... If SA takes him then White is available... I'd rather have White/Semi/Bell... admittedly I wasn't a Brooks fan, but hadn't watched him much.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Right now would you rather have Semi/Bell and Brooks?

I don't think it's a major mistake, but I think it is really puzzling... clearly he was not playing this year... if we keep Epke he would play maybe spot minutes in year 2. Then he is a backup in year 3... cool bigs like him come really cheap... and ready to contribute.

Maybe he hits threes and becomes an offensive force on the glass... he's got good hands... just think I'd swing bigger with that pick or try to find a guy that can contribute on his rookie deal on the cheap. Or a guy that gives a different look... like Bell.

So okay I won't say dumb... just really puzzling and one I would not have made.

Also supposedly we jumped SA to get him... If SA takes him then White is available... I'd rather have White/Semi/Bell... admittedly I wasn't a Brooks fan, but hadn't watched him much.
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A.) I actually like Tony Bradley. Udoh wasn’t on the roster when the pick was made, and he does have considerable upside.

B.) I’m way more irritated about the Jazz trading away two picks to dump one guaranteed year of Tibor Pleis. That pick ended up being #36 - Jonah Bolden, Semi Ojeleye and Jordan Bell we’re all still on the board at that time. Any of them would’ve been a good get for the Jazz.

C.) If the Jazz wanted Bell, there wasn’t anything stopping them from buying the Bull’s pick like the Warriors did.

D.) If Bradley becomes a solid rotational player behind Gobert, then it was a great puck. Can’t count on much from a #28 pick in the draft. Any contribution from him makes it a value pick. Too early to judge.
 
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Handlogten's Heros said:
Right now would you rather have Semi/Bell and Brooks?

I don't think it's a major mistake, but I think it is really puzzling... clearly he was not playing this year... if we keep Epke he would play maybe spot minutes in year 2. Then he is a backup in year 3... cool bigs like him come really cheap... and ready to contribute.

Maybe he hits threes and becomes an offensive force on the glass... he's got good hands... just think I'd swing bigger with that pick or try to find a guy that can contribute on his rookie deal on the cheap. Or a guy that gives a different look... like Bell.

So okay I won't say dumb... just really puzzling and one I would not have made.

Also supposedly we jumped SA to get him... If SA takes him then White is available... I'd rather have White/Semi/Bell... admittedly I wasn't a Brooks fan, but hadn't watched him much.
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None of these players have proven anything to make me disappointed we didnt draft them over Bradley. It's way too early to call it dumb.
 
Ellis269 said:
A.) I actually like Tony Bradley. Udoh wasn’t on the roster when the puck was made, and he does have considerable upside.

B.) I’m way more irritated about the Jazz trading away two picks to dump one guaranteed year of Tibor Pleis. That pick ended up being #36 - Jonah Bolden, Semi Ojeleye and Jordan Bell we’re all still on the board at that time. Any of them would’ve been a good get for the Jazz.

C.) If the Jazz wanted Bell, there wasn’t anything stopping them from buying the Bull’s pick like the Warriors did.

D.) If Bradley becomes a solid rotational player behind Gobert, then it was a great puck. Can’t count on much from a #28 pick in the draft. Any contribution from him makes it a value pick. Too early to judge.
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The Tibor dump and then no one took our space so we took the Diaw dump from SA... that was the puzzling move that offseason. I may be off on the timing there.

I like Tony Bradley fine... I think he can be a backup center... I just think you could get a number of dudes who are good backup centers for the minimum or close to it... no development required. I'd rather use a roster spot on a guy that could blow up or be a contributor at a more scarce position.

If Tony develops what is his ceiling? Give me a decent comp?
 
I think Bradley may be able to guard 4s. He has way better feet than I thought he did.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
None of these players have proven anything to make me disappointed we didnt draft them over Bradley. It's way too early to call it dumb.
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Anyone can call it dumb after players have proven things... Dumb was strong... call it puzzling if it makes you feel better. There are a lot of different routes I'd have preferred.
 
NAOS said:
I think Bradley may be able to guard 4s. He has way better feet than I thought he did.
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He is more nimble than I thought, but I wouldn't want to play him with Rudy and I don't think he will be as good as Favs at switching out.

I think he's a smart player I just can't tell you a player playing today that he is similar to. I think Bryant (#42) has more promise as a shooter. If he develops is he like a Nurkic? A poor mans JV?
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
He is more nimble than I thought, but I wouldn't want to play him with Rudy and I don't think he will be as good as Favs at switching out.

I think he's a smart player I just can't tell you a player playing today that he is similar to. I think Bryant (#42) has more promise as a shooter. If he develops is he like a Nurkic? A poor mans JV?
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