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Rudy Gobert has got to go

Saint Cy of JFC said:
Its not hard to go to nba reference and see positive 5 man lineups with Gobert.
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Well duh. Of course there would be 5 man lineups with gobert on them that would be good.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Lmao, do you really think every lineup used this year that has Rudy in it has been bad?
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I think Archie needs to take a course involving causality.

Is the Favors-Gobert-Rubio-Ingles-Mitchell lineup atrocious because of Gobert?
Is the Favors-Burks-Ingles-Jerebko-Mitchell lineup so good because of Favors?

Is level of competition a factor?

How would a Gobert-Burks-Ingles-Jerebo-Mitchell lineup fare against the same level of competition?

Gobert critics fail to acknowledge that a fair comparison just can't be made. Gobert is playing in lineups featuring 2 centers, with a PG who shoots effectively maybe once in 5-7 games. And look at Favors' stats during those same games: not very good. Favors suddenly sees his stats greatly improve against weaker opponents, primarily at home, and when there is an additional 3PT threat on the court. Hmmm, very interesting.
 
stitches said:
This is a new phenomenon I'm seeing more and more. It must be given a name, since I don't think it has been identified so far but the signs are eerily similar in every case. It happened last year with Favors, now it's happening with Hood and Gobert and the very fact that it's happening with Gobert, who just last year was arguably a top 10 player in the league suggests that it is indeed a phenomenon with the fans and not some random occurrence. It's the phenomenon of blaming injured players for under-performance as if it's their skill and game that has diminished in some catastrophic way rather than their bodies not being able to function for the duration of the recovery. It's disregarding years upon years of production on very high level in favor of a handful of games playing injured and/or while recovering from injury as if the players just woke up one day and had forgotten how to play basketball. Trade Gobert? Are you ****ing serious? Throw in Hood like he's some late second rounderer with 500K cash considerations value. Get your **** together, Jazz fans.
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Trading him would be insane (unless there was a sort of haul that he wouldn't get, like a Harden or whatever).

I'm just saying as the team is constructed the team seems to play better without him this year. I've also admitted the sample size is small, and that say he hadn't got hurt that the team would look great with him in another 5-10 games or whatever.

Still, the team as constructed now isn't going to win a title, so the coaching staff and FA has to find a way to build a team that plays to both Rudy's and Mitchell's strengths, and to get those players who can do that. Right now it just isn't there, or at least that's what the early results show.
 
Nate505 said:
Still, the team as constructed now isn't going to win a title, so the coaching staff and FA has to find a way to build a team that plays to both Rudy's and Mitchell's strengths, and to get those players who can do that. Right now it just isn't there, or at least that's what the early results show.
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I'd like to see a Mitchell-Hood(or Burks)-Ingles-Johnson(or Jerebko)-Gobert lineup.

Just need to send Rubio to the bench and separate Favors and Gobert. Quin isn't willing to do that, even though he espouses a 1-4 strategy, so the Jazz struggle with the 2-3.
 
Jack Strop said:
I think Archie needs to take a course involving causality.

Is the Favors-Gobert-Rubio-Ingles-Mitchell lineup atrocious because of Gobert?
Is the Favors-Burks-Ingles-Jerebko-Mitchell lineup so good because of Favors?

Is level of competition a factor?

How would a Gobert-Burks-Ingles-Jerebo-Mitchell lineup fare against the same level of competition?

Gobert critics fail to acknowledge that a fair comparison just can't be made. Gobert is playing in lineups featuring 2 centers, with a PG who shoots effectively maybe once in 5-7 games. And look at Favors' stats during those same games: not very good. Favors suddenly sees his stats greatly improve against weaker opponents, primarily at home, and when there is an additional 3PT threat on the court. Hmmm, very interesting.
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While you think I need to take a course on causality, I think you need to read the thread.

I think people are more upset about what they think I've said in this thread rather than what I have actually said.

I'll sum it up cause I know reading is hard for most people on here.

Gobert is my favorite player on the Jazz. He wouldn't be my first choice to be traded - that would be Favors and/or Rubio. That said, since this lineup clearly does not work with him too, I'd be open to trade him if the right pieces were offered. Not shocking, cupcakes. Not shocking at all...
 
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