Donald Fires FBI Director who's investigating Russian Election Hacking

[LogGrad98]

I don't think I see a traditional war. I could see the start of violent clashes between left and right leaning individuals that escalates until the National Guard is called in to squash it. But not "war".

Unless there were a true rift in the military there will never be a successful uprising of the citizenry of the US. Just simply cannot happen. The US military is too strong. It would be squashed so fast. As stoked pointed out, the national guard would be plenty to quell anything even remotely resembling a war.

 

[babe]

Not very many of Trump's enemies or critics even have guns. Those who do probably don't hunt or carry them.... oh maybe a lockbox with an antique inside, without serious ammo. Mr. B might raise a force of ten or twenty, half JFC members.

I haven't seen Mr. B shoot, and probably never will.

So far the issues raised by Mueller don't rise to anything Trump has done, and even the dems in congress privy to the information say "no proof of collusion." Nothing criminal, nothing indictable, just suspicions and unfounded accusations, despite the worst things his enemies/accusers have imagined.

Mueller, however, has a long history with many facts that demand investigation. Comey is now proven to have deliberately covered Hillary's offenses including actual crimes.

The fact is that it is now proven that Obama and Hillary have weaponized federal agencies and used federally salaried personnel to threaten political opposition and shush their critics. These people are criminals and need to be charged/indicted, and put on trial for their crimes.

This is the fundamental reality of our times. The wheels have fallen off the "progressive" wagon, and the myopic delusions of globalist utopians are proving to be nothing more than self-interested power-seeking corrupt political movements.

 

[babe]

So here is a statement from a group of self-professed democrats of the old school.... FDR emulating democrats.... you know..... before dems became the political assets of megabillionaires like Soros, Gates, and the Rockefellers, and various London bankers.....

to the effect that the Trump-dumpsters are real garbage.

https://larouchepac.com/sites/default/files/20171218-treason-at-fbi.pdf

what we need is a strong set of nation-states that can adequately represent their peoples' interests on the world stage, and resist the manipulations of cartelists whose interests are vested in making wars between the world's people.

 

[Gameface]

Not very many of Trump's enemies or critics even have guns. Those who do probably don't hunt or carry them.... oh maybe a lockbox with an antique inside, without serious ammo. Mr. B might raise a force of ten or twenty, half JFC members.

I haven't seen Mr. B shoot, and probably never will.

So far the issues raised by Mueller don't rise to anything Trump has done, and even the dems in congress privy to the information say "no proof of collusion." Nothing criminal, nothing indictable, just suspicions and unfounded accusations, despite the worst things his enemies/accusers have imagined.

Mueller, however, has a long history with many facts that demand investigation. Comey is now proven to have deliberately covered Hillary's offenses including actual crimes.

The fact is that it is now proven that Obama and Hillary have weaponized federal agencies and used federally salaried personnel to threaten political opposition and shush their critics. These people are criminals and need to be charged/indicted, and put on trial for their crimes.

This is the fundamental reality of our times. The wheels have fallen off the "progressive" wagon, and the myopic delusions of globalist utopians are proving to be nothing more than self-interested power-seeking corrupt political movements.

You make too many unfounded assertions of fact to even start.

You want to actually back up any of these assertions?

 

[babe]

You make too many unfounded assertions of fact to even start.

You want to actually back up any of these assertions?

Well, unfounded assertions or not, how many JFC members are willing to bring their guns to, say Lee Kay range to show me they can still shoot straight even while holding Leftist biased views?

I don't shoot much. Some people I know do, even compete in marksmanship events. Given a gun and about ten shots to estimate variances, I can shoot straight.

Sure I was kidding you on the obviously overwrought pitifully misinformed political opinions and general incompetence with guns of statists/happy-go-lucky utopians on the Left, that I might argue proves a sort of statistical trend drifting far from societal norms between shooters and non-shooters today.

Why don't you go listen to Cam, the NRA talkshow host on XM 125 around 6-9 PM and tell me if you have some good reasons to argue that he doesn't shoot straight?

I still don't think your anger at Trumpians who generally consider that Trump is indeed Making America Great Again justifies shooting anyone. Whatever you think has gone wrong can be fixed electorally soon enough.

Today, on Roger Stones' StoneColdTruth blog, I sent Trump a Christmas card and said "Thank you for everything you do. But I believe your slogan "MAGA" is a vast understatement of your agenda. Actually, you are "Making America Real Again", as in restoring the voice of America's citizens in their national government. Without meaningful reality to the power of American citizens to direct their government, the whole idea of America becomes a fraud.

There are millions of gun-toting Americans who feel the same way, very many of which can shoot straighter than I do.

We sat through eight years of Obama for Hell's sake, you should sit down and let the real Americans have eight years of their government. If you're not committed to democracy, you do not measure up as a straight shooter professing to be an American.

 

[Gameface]

Well, unfounded assertions or not, how many JFC members are willing to bring their guns to, say Lee Kay range to show me they can still shoot straight even while holding Leftist biased views?

I don't shoot much. Some people I know do, even compete in marksmanship events. Given a gun and about ten shots to estimate variances, I can shoot straight.

Sure I was kidding you on the obviously overwrought pitifully misinformed political opinions and general incompetence with guns of statists/happy-go-lucky utopians on the Left, that I might argue proves a sort of statistical trend drifting far from societal norms between shooters and non-shooters today.

Why don't you go listen to Cam, the NRA talkshow host on XM 125 around 6-9 PM and tell me if you have some good reasons to argue that he doesn't shoot straight?

I was not talking about who has what guns and how well they shoot them.

You are confusing Comey with another guy who sent texts to his girlfriend, who softened language in the report on Hillary Clinton.

Hillary Clinton and Obama have not weaponized the federal government.

Mueller has huge integrity and is widely respected.

 

[babe]

You make too many unfounded assertions of fact to even start.

You want to actually back up any of these assertions?

Well, unfounded assertions or not, how many JFC members are willing to bring their guns to, say Lee Kay range to show me they can still shoot straight even while holding Leftist biased views?

I don't shoot much. Some people I know do, even compete in marksmanship events. Given a gun and about ten shots to estimate variances, I can shoot straight.

Sure I was kidding you on the obviously overwrought pitifully misinformed political opinions and general incompetence with guns of statists/happy-go-lucky utopians on the Left, that I might argue proves a sort of statistical trend drifting far from societal norms between shooters and non-shooters today.

Why don't you go listen to Cam, the NRA talkshow host on XM 125 around 6-9 PM and tell me if you have some good reasons to argue that he doesn't shoot straight?

I was not talking about who has what guns and how well they shoot them.

You are confusing Comey with another guy who sent texts to his girlfriend, who softened language in the report on Hillary Clinton.

Hillary Clinton and Obama have not weaponized the federal government.

Mueller has huge integrity and is widely respected.

I wasn't referring to the dude with the girlfriend who were supposedly doing unbiased work for Mueller while saying a lot of stuff in their email traffic (using work computers, apparently).

I had some dealings with the FBI while Mueller was running it and concluded then, on my own experience, that he was a political hack and bought and paid for, not at all interested in enforcing the actual law when it might affect his cronies. The cronies I knew who had him shielding them were some prominent Vegas democrats and a judge, even while Bush was president. The Vegas FBI office professed to be commissioned to fight crime relating to influence-peddling in the political and judicial realms, and was asking for leads. But instead, they struck me as more like some criminal "enforcers" making sure their clients didn't have to compete or lower their fees for their favors.

So, no, I don't believe your unfounded assertions. Of course, all the people who run with the pack he stands for will profusely assert his reputation and integrity.

I am surprised at nothing that has so far come out from the conservative news/opinion sources, nor am I surprised that mainstream media is maintaining a deafening silence on it all.

The IRS during Obama opened up many "audits" of Republican politicians and supporters, apparently with the motive to shush political opposition for Obama. I doubt you'd want to read about that, but the information is readily available.

Comey deliberately quashed his investigations on Hillary, giving her an "innocent by reason of imbecility" finding for not knowing the law or caring to comply with it, and, by his apparent sense of things, being totally oblivious of FOIA provisions against taking federal business outta sight of the FOIA system, and therefore "innocent by reason of oblivious imbecility". Of course, Hillary is anything but stupid, and you can bet she had her own reasons for doing anything or she just wouldn't do it. Her good reasons were usually some form of money routed appropriately in her purposed world.

I honestly don't know how you can just ignore the facts.

Under Obama, the DOJ (Loretta Lynch), the FBI (Comey) conspired to protect Hillary and destroy her opponents. I believe the facts will continue to make this truth more and more undeniable. I'd suggest, for anyone with persistant utopian views of a professionally-managed fascist government capable of doing everything "right" somehow, doing a tactical retreat from the whole Obama/Hillary/Comey/Mueller hill. Of course, if you don't care so much about the "cause" as you do about your chosen connection to the money river, you will just let the cause limp through all this. But you should still scramble to find new footing for tagging on to some teat of the guvmint nourishment/influence.

Somebody let a bull get into your china shop, and everything is getting broken, that you've spent years setting up.

The "progressive" cause has run aground. The idea of a better world will have to be reconfigured on a whole new schema. It has no future.

 

[Gameface]

I think it hilarious that you continue to paint me and anyone else who doesn't like Trump as liberals.

Many people here who are lifelong conservatives are strongly opposed to Trump.

I have a very mixed voting record. Hillary is the only Democrat I've voted for and I did so because I thought she would be competent and she was not Trump. Other than that I have voted third party or Republican. Oh, sorry, I voted for Kerry against JWB. So two Democrats. Probably both RINOs to you.

As far as how straight I shoot...

I qualified to shoot the M9 twice, the Mossberg 500, the M16, the M60 and the .50 cal mounted gun. I had perfect scores* on both of my M9 quals.

I didn't learn how to shoot in the Navy, my father taught me how to shoot. My father is an Army vet who had a sharpshooter qualification. He didn't learn to shoot in the Army, his father taught him how to shoot. My father volunteered for service in the Army during the Vietnam war, where he met my mother, who had also volunteered to serve in the Army during the Vietnam war.

Not only can I shoot small arms, I was a Navy Fire Controlman and the work center supervisor of the USS Nimitz (CVN 68) RAM workcenter. As such I was the primary person in charge of an aircraft carrier's defensive weapon systems. I have a military education in how shipboard weapons work, can figure out trajectories long-hand, have a comprehensive knowledge of both search and track radar systems and the associated signal processing equipment and how that signal processing is done in intricate detail.

You are a joke if you think everyone who doesn't like Trump also doesn't like firearms. I could point you to many of my shipmates, my fellow Fire Controlman, who also are horrified by what Trump is, what he represents and the threat he poses to the nation we served.

Fire Controlman description https://www.thebalance.com/fire-controlman-navy-enlisted-rating-job-description-3345817

My primary weapon system https://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/ram/

Also went to school for this weapon system https://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/phalanx/

Indirectly worked on this weapon system https://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/essm/

*I scored a perfect score on both of my M9 gun quals, but on the first one, there was a woman next to me who had never even held a gun in her life and she missed her target so badly that she hit the lower corner of mine (the targets were several feet apart) and her errant shot counted against my score. I know it wasn't my round. But despite that I still had the highest official gun qual score of anyone serving in shipboard security, where I was assigned for temporary duty at the time. Because of my high score I was selected to serve on the ship's Initial Response Team (IRT) and Visit Board Search and Seizure (VBSS) team, as well as performing normal daily armed patrols of the ship while at sea and manning the gate and performing port patrols while in port.

While I was on my ship's VBSS team, I want to be clear, aircraft carrier VBSS teams are not typically used, and I was never used in that role, nor was the VBSS team ever used during the four years I was stationed aboard the Nimitz.

EDIT: I mistakenly said sniper qualification when I meant to say sharpshooter

 

[Gameface]

Well, unfounded assertions or not, how many JFC members are willing to bring their guns to, say Lee Kay range to show me they can still shoot straight even while holding Leftist biased views?

I don't shoot much. Some people I know do, even compete in marksmanship events. Given a gun and about ten shots to estimate variances, I can shoot straight.

Sure I was kidding you on the obviously overwrought pitifully misinformed political opinions and general incompetence with guns of statists/happy-go-lucky utopians on the Left, that I might argue proves a sort of statistical trend drifting far from societal norms between shooters and non-shooters today.

Why don't you go listen to Cam, the NRA talkshow host on XM 125 around 6-9 PM and tell me if you have some good reasons to argue that he doesn't shoot straight?


I wasn't referring to the dude with the girlfriend who were supposedly doing unbiased work for Mueller while saying a lot of stuff in their email traffic (using work computers, apparently).

I had some dealings with the FBI while Mueller was running it and concluded then, on my own experience, that he was a political hack and bought and paid for, not at all interested in enforcing the actual law when it might affect his cronies. The cronies I knew who had him shielding them were some prominent democrats, even while Bush was president.

So, no, I don't believe your unfounded assertions. Of course, all the people who run with the pack he stands for will profusely assert his reputation and integrity.

I am surprised at nothing that has so far come out from the conservative news/opinion sources, nor am I surprised that mainstream media is maintaining a deafening silence on it all.

The IRS during Obama opened up many "audits" of Republican politicians and supporters, apparently with the motive to shush political opposition for Obama. I doubt you'd want to read about that, but the information is readily available.

Comey deliberately quashed his investigations on Hillary, giving her an "innocent by reason of imbecility" finding for not knowing the law or caring to comply with it, and by his sense of things, being totally oblivious of FOIA provisions against taking federal business outta sight of the FOIA system.

I honestly don't know how you can just ignore the facts.

Under Obama, the DOJ (Loretta Lynch), the FBI (Comey) conspired to protect Hillary and destroy her opponents. I believe the facts will continue to make this truth more and more undeniable. I'd suggest, for anyone with persistant utopian views of a professionally-managed fascist government capable of doing everything "right" somehow, doing a tactical retreat from the whole Obama/Hillary/Comey/Mueller hill.

Babe, I know about the IRS audits.

I've heard all the facts you are talking about. Most of them are either not facts or you are grossly misrepresenting them. You live in a fantasy land.

 

[babe]

Babe, I know about the IRS audits.

I've heard all the facts you are talking about. Most of them are either not facts or you are grossly misrepresenting them. You live in a fantasy land.

what can either of us really know about this? I listen to some people. You read other stuff. Neither of us has in our hot little hands the documents it takes to corroborate official actions. I believe what I heard on general principles that reflect my experiences.

I think Hillary and Obama got over-confident and with cavalier arrogance failed to hide their actions well enough to pass the sensibilities of many Americans. Even democrats, really.

calling a basic realistic appraisal of humanity "fantasy land" is probably something you cannot really prove as fact. In calling me out on this one you allege you have "heard all the facts" and passed judgment on them as either "not facts" or "misrepresented facts". But no "source" cited. Well, neither did I.

I don't generally consider a chat forum a sufficient or appropriate place to adjudicate contested issues. I do think it is a contribution to bring out other points of view with some sort of backing. Just tell me where you get your stuff. I might go read your source.

 

[babe]

I think it hilarious that you continue to paint me and anyone else who doesn't like Trump as liberals.

Many people here who are lifelong conservatives are strongly opposed to Trump.

I have a very mixed voting record. Hillary is the only Democrat I've voted for and I did so because I thought she would be competent and she was not Trump. Other than that I have voted third party or Republican. Oh, sorry, I voted for Kerry against JWB. So two Democrats. Probably both RINOs to you.

As far as how straight I shoot...

I qualified to shoot the M9 twice, the Mossberg 500, the M16, the M60 and the .50 cal mounted gun. I had perfect scores* on both of my M9 quals.

I didn't learn how to shoot in the Navy, my father taught me how to shoot. My father is an Army vet who had a sniper qualification. He didn't learn to shoot in the Army, his father taught him how to shoot. My father volunteered for service in the Army during the Vietnam war, where he met my mother, who had also volunteered to serve in the Army during the Vietnam war.

Not only can I shoot small arms, I was a Navy Fire Controlman and the work center supervisor of the USS Nimitz (CVN 68) RAM workcenter. As such I was the primary person in charge of an aircraft carrier's defensive weapon systems. I have a military education in how shipboard weapons work, can figure out trajectories long-hand, have a comprehensive knowledge of both search and track radar systems and the associated signal processing equipment and how that signal processing is done in intricate detail.

You are a joke if you think everyone who doesn't like Trump also doesn't like firearms. I could point you to many of my shipmates, my fellow Fire Controlman, who also are horrified by what Trump is, what he represents and the threat he poses to the nation we served.

Fire Controlman description https://www.thebalance.com/fire-controlman-navy-enlisted-rating-job-description-3345817

My primary weapon system https://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/ram/

Also went to school for this weapon system https://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/phalanx/

Indirectly worked on this weapon system https://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/essm/

*I scored a perfect score on both of my M9 gun quals, but on the first one, there was a woman next to me who had never even held a gun in her life and she missed her target so badly that she hit the lower corner of mine (the targets were several feet apart) and her errant shot counted against my score. I know it wasn't my round. But despite that I still had the highest official gun qual score of anyone serving in shipboard security, where I was assigned for temporary duty at the time. Because of my high score I was selected to serve on the ship's Initial Response Team (IRT) and Visit Board Search and Seizure (VBSS) team, as well as performing normal daily armed patrols of the ship while at sea and manning the gate and performing port patrols while in port.

While I was on my ship's VBSS team, I want to be clear, aircraft carrier VBSS teams are not typically used, and I was never used in that role, nor was the VBSS team ever used during the four years I was stationed aboard the Nimitz.

Well, that is impressively serious documented qualifications.

I know you have said before you're not the wholesale political partisan exactly. I don't know why your comments strike me as that consistently committed to the general attitude I see as "progressive". Certainly, your comments on the subject of guns and second amendment are indeed on a higher level of discourse.

I get it that a lot of moralistic conservatives consider Trump a sort of libertine and fake conservative, and the idea of having someone from a moronic TV program, a sales-pitcher on "The Art of the Deal" and real estate shenanigans becoming POTUS might well be a shock.....

And I get it that a lot of fairly innocent Americans with no strong political ideas could see his behavior as disturbing in some respects, too.....

But I think Trump got elected fair and square, and I think Americans.... whatever their opinions.... should pitch in and help make things work better in this country. I am impressed that Trump is actually "practical" more than "partisan". That means he would listen to you if you could only make good sense to him. Write him a letter. Be nice, but tell him why you are concerned about the stuff that makes you angry.

I probably won't ever show up at a poker game or beer party, but I would think it a fine thing to meet you on a range, say with two of my brothers-in-law who are actually expert with guns, but probably could learn a few things from you.

 

[fishonjazz]

Funny reading these threads with people on ignore.