Nikola Mirotic

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3 players.

Point taken.

My point is that it's not automatic he would reach 9 3 point attempts per game. I'm not saying he is incapable of playing 32mpg or that his production will decline. The amount of minutes he gets (and his shoot attempts) depends on rotations, who we draft, the roster, conditioning, etc. Also, our recent history suggests that even our best players barely crack 34mpg (medical reasons+a deep roster).

I get that. I think you're misreading me. For the amount of time he's on the floor, the amount of spacing he provides by the volume of threes he puts up is really quite unmatched for any big man. It's not fair to assume he's putting up less attempts because we're comparing him to guys playing 35 minutes on teams that are playing to win.

 

[Ron Mexico]

They are also the Bulls and their cap-space is more valuable than most teams. Why would their GM's want to take on contracts when they always have a strong shot at big free agents?

Because they are not chasing FA's this off-season since they want to tank and more year. Then those players will be expiring assets and give them lots of room to chase free agents in a big free agent year.

Also they want a first for him and taking back salary is likely the only way to get that.

 

[Ron Mexico]

They have potential but Donovan is already a superstar.

I agree, but drafts are based on potential. I'm just guessing what teams would do if there was a redraft.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Because they are not chasing FA's this off-season since they want to tank and more year. Then those players will be expiring assets and give them lots of room to chase free agents in a big free agent year.

Also they want a first for him and taking back salary is likely the only way to get that.

Nothing about the Bulls history says they are going to try and tank tho. Hell they might go after someone like DeAndre Jordan.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Like, the Bulls are pretty well setup because this year no one has cap-space but them and a few teams. They could get a guy like Tyreke Evans on a great contract. Or Brook Lopez. They might miss on the huge names, but their is a solid 2nd or 3rd tier in 2018 that wont get the offers they would typically expect.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Nothing about the Bulls history says they are going to try and tank tho. Hell they might go after someone like DeAndre Jordan.

They are tanking right now. That's part of why they are trying to trade Mirotic. If they are interested in Jordan. Then they might be willing to do a straight across trade for favors. But all indicators are they are currently tanking.

Also those players could help them this year and I'm doubting they have big free agent targets this year. They would be wise to target the next off season.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The Bulls are the team who sold Jordan Bell for 3 million dollars. They arent a draft focused team. I think I read they have the smallest draft scouting department in the NBA.

 

[latin jazz]

There's a total of 26 guys who have put up more attempts (per game, not per minute) than Mirotic. 14 have a percentage 38% or higher. 100% of them play more minutes than Niko. 0 of them are big men.

I was using nba.com numbers but just realized they mess up shoot attempts by rounding up. Per basketball reference there are 20 players shooting at least 6 3point attempts on 38% shooting or better

 

[framer]

I agree, but drafts are based on potential. I'm just guessing what teams would do if there was a redraft.

They take the guaranteed superstar, unless they are idiots.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

They are tanking right now. That's part of why they are trying to trade Mirotic. If they are interested in Jordan. Then they might be willing to do a straight across trade for favors. But all indicators are they are currently tanking.

Also those players could help them this year and I'm doubting they have big free agent targets this year. They would be wise to target the next off season.

I think they are trying to trade him because he got punched in the face and no one on his team really sided with him and they know he probably wont sign back with them long-term so it's best to capitalize on him right now. That doesn't mean they are trying to tank.

 

[fishonjazz]

I was using nba.com numbers but just realized they mess up shoot attempts by rounding up. Per basketball reference there are 20 players shooting at least 6 3point attempts on 38% shooting or better

I'm curious to know how many are 6 foot 10 power forwards

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I think we can wait it out and try to get a better deal, but if some other contender comes in and grabs him because we were willing to give a couple seconds but not a 20-30?

Chicago does not value 2nd round picks.

 

[infection]

I'm curious to know how many are 6 foot 10 power forwards

0. And 6 attempts is generous because he's putting up 6.4 (not to split hairs), but doing so in typically 10 mpg less than all the other guys.

 

[infection]

Chicago does not value 2nd round picks.

Read it again.

 

[latin jazz]

I get that. I think you're misreading me. For the amount of time he's on the floor, the amount of spacing he provides by the volume of threes he puts up is really quite unmatched for any big man. It's not fair to assume he's putting up less attempts because we're comparing him to guys playing 35 minutes on teams that are playing to win.

I don't disagree with you that even if he regress some and cools off, he would have a great impact in our offense. I also think you are misreading me some. I'm just pointing out that using per 36 min is tricky (although I get your point that we are not comparing a 12mpg player to a starter) and that his role might not be that different here than in Chicago. But I believe excellent shooting from the 4 position would be a big boost to our team.

 

[fishonjazz]

Get him

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Yeah, I think Mitchell has been the best rookie this season.

But if there was a redraft today I'm not sure he goes first. I think it goes Tatum, Markkanen then Mitchell. Having a 7' sharp shooter who can drive is special to build around. Markkanen might be a better prospect than Porz.

Like the same team draft order? I think Mitchell goes #1 because he fits Philly.

 

[fishonjazz]

Chicago does not value 2nd round picks.

Exactly his point.
We should stop offering something they don't value and offer them something Chicago does value instead.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The bottom line on any Chicago deal is that Utah isn't trading their first this year.

A 3rd team has to be involved that wants Favors enough to give up their late first rounder. Also that 3rd team has to rather have Favors than Mirotic (or the Jazz wouldnt even be needed). The Chicago/Cleveland/Utah deal is the most logical one. I don't think Jazz work a deal unless Cleveland agrees to get involved.

 

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