Nikola Mirotic

[infection]

But Embiid looks amazing now. In every draft you can find busts or underachievers. But its is more likely to find talent the higher you select. No rocket science there. I would be all in for trading our pick if we were close to being contenders. We are not.

And at the time we wouldn't have moved for Embiid, especially with injury question marks.

 

[fishonjazz]

But we don't have that. We are not offering our 1st. Most we can offer is second rounders or as Cy pointed out, get a third team involved to give up a late 1st.

I was wondering today that If we didn't trade for Rubio, we could have used OKC's pick to trade for Mirotic.

Disagree. Imo we have a first we can offer. That is something that I belive tyne bulls value. I think the jazz should trade a 1st for him.

 

[fishonjazz]

Jazz would he dumb to give up their lotto pick. Let's not be ridiculous.

I think it’s allowed to give up 1st round picks that are not in the lottery. I have even heard of picks having some sort of protection on them.

 

[latin jazz]

I don't think we disagree on much but I think where we may see things different is the definition of "amazing asset." I don't view a 20-30 pick as an amazing asset. All-stars have been selected there. Hell, I'm sure there are a handful of hall-of-famers in the 20-30 range. I get that you probably don't view that as amazing either, but you don't like the idea of not being able to deal a future pick because it's potentially allocated somewhere else. This is where we start to value 'potential' way higher than current realities. 'Maybe' we need a (20-30 pick) to complete a blockbuster deal (which phenomenal player would a 20-30 pick make or break the deal of?). In reality, I think the chances of needing that pick for a specific deal for a player of enough value to be reasonably better than Mirotic is slim enough that you've got to roll forward on making a move for him.

Our pick is likely to be in the top 10 and I consider that an amazing asset. A pick in the 22-30 range would be the right price for Niko but it needs protections, which in turn take away your flexibility for future deals. That's a tough call for a team that emphasizes the draft to add talent. If right now we were a top 4 or 5 team in the West (like last year), then I would entertain the idea since there would be more certainty about the pick and our team.

 

[LoPo]

If we use our first to get Mirotic and dump a bad contract like Burks', then we can use Favors and JoeJ to get another first. I'm not saying we go first-less in this draft. I'm just saying get a guy who seems to fit need, likes the staff, and should have staying power.

 

[latin jazz]

I consider kd to be a pretty good player and markkanen to have some potential to be pretty good.

Yeah, KD has some potential. Pretty decent

I mentioned other players in another post

 

[fishonjazz]

Why would you outbid other teams?

To get the thing that you want. If someone else out bids you then you don’t get the thing that you want. The thing goes to the highest bidder. At least that’s how I understand bidding/auctions.

What you don’t want to do is out bid yourself or overpay.

 

[latin jazz]

We

Disagree. Imo we have a first we can offer. That is something that I belive tyne bulls value. I think the jazz should trade a 1st for him.

Yup, we disagree here on how much we are willing to give for Mirotic

 

[infection]

To get the thing that you want. If someone else out bids you then you don’t get the thing that you want. The thing goes to the highest bidder. At least that’s how I understand bidding/auctions.

What you don’t want to do is out bid yourself or overpay.

If he goes somewhere it's for a pick in the 20s. We can beat that by at least not sending back bad salary.

Yup, we disagree here on how much we are willing to give for Mirotic

Yes, indeed. Many people skeptical about possible consistency issues with Mirotic, but very few people questioning the consistency of 'A Player to be Named Later."

 

[latin jazz]

To get the thing that you want. If someone else out bids you then you don’t get the thing that you want. The thing goes to the highest bidder. At least that’s how I understand bidding/auctions.

What you don’t want to do is out bid yourself or overpay.

True, but if the other teams can only offer a top 18 or top 20, you don't offer a pick which is likely to be a top 10. Teams will get a better sense of their picks and relative position within their conference closer to the deadline. Detroit is two spots behind the 5th place. Portland is in the same position. The Jazz pick is waaaay better than those so it makes sense to involve a third team in order to avoid overpaying (or wait a bit to get a sense of Niko's market). That's why it's been mentioned trading for Niko was not going to be easy.

 

[fishonjazz]

Lindsey has gambled with 2 FRPs in the last two years, and the results are that Utah is currently sitting well out of the playoffs. At this point, if he gives up a lottery pick for a guy with one year left on his contract, his head should be on the chopping block if things don't work out.

Utah is not in a position to be trading away picks for short term improvement. It shouldn't even be a question. Besides that, if DL was dumb enough to give up our pick this year, that trade would have happened by now.

Some people are overvaluing this guy based on a recent shooting streak, when the reality is that he's almost certainly going to come back down to the guy his career #s say he is.

If only we would have kept our pick instead of traded it for George Hill. Then we might have timothe luwawu cabarrot (a guy lots of jazz fanzers, myself included, wanted with that pick) and his 6 points and 1.6 rebounds per game along with his 38% shooting and his 30% 3 point shooting.

We would probably be competing for home court advantage in the playoffs if only we had him.

 

[Ron Mexico]

True, but if the other teams can only offer a top 18 or top 20, you don't offer a pick which is likely to be a top 10. Teams will get a better sense of their picks and relative position within their conference closer to the deadline. Detroit is two spots behind the 5th place. Portland is in the same position. The Jazz pick is waaaay better than those so it makes sense to involve a third team in order to avoid overpaying. That's why it's been mentioned trading for Niko was not going to be easy.

You are assuming that we will stay that low. We are getting our best player last year back in Gobert. We are getting Exum back. We played the second toughest schedule in the NBA already with a lot of new players in a new system. I think it is a safe bet we have a better record going forward then we have to this point. Unless we make trades and the FO really goes full tank. But I am doubtful that happens.

We can also put protections on the pick and we should do that. I know that prevents us from a hypothetical future trade but that is a risk well worth it to get a player that fits well and is playing at a really high level. There are not many stretch 4s that can shoot at this level that can also rebound and handle the ball and drive a bit, especially that are available.

Mirotic is not worth a top 10 pick. But we probably wont have a top 10 pick and we definitely can put restrictions on the pick to prevent giving up a pick that good.