Donald Fires FBI Director who's investigating Russian Election Hacking
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Red
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...91602206fb7_story.html?utm_term=.77f73b2de719
"President Trump’s vision of soldiers marching and tanks rolling down the boulevards of Washington is moving closer to reality in the Pentagon and White House, where officials say they have begun to plan a grand military parade later this year showcasing the might of America’s armed forces.....
.....Shows of military strength are not typical in the United States — and they don’t come cheap. The cost of shipping Abrams tanks and high-tech hardware to Washington could run in the millions, and military officials said it was unclear how they would pay for it."
https://pacer-documents.s3.amazonaws.com/36/193647/04516494589.pdf
So there's that. It's a solid read.
So there's that. It's a solid read.
Maybe. Donnie doesn't seem as respectable enough to have that exchange though. He'd smear something else on down and through everyone he could think of while attempting to answer the question.
Also, the investigation has yielded it's first conviction:
https://nltimes.nl/2018/04/04/dutch-lawyer-first-convicted-trump-russia-investigation
Joe Bagadonuts
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Oh good, they got him!
You've already illustrated that you don't see anything wrong foreign entities swaying an election, and therefore could care less if someone was working with them. You also don't seem to understand the importance of 'first conviction' in context of an ongoing investigation.
Contribute, or gtfo.
Red
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It did originally surprise me to learn that not all Americans feel it is any big deal to have our nation's sovereignty messed with by a foreign power. Even more so, given that that power has been our chief geopolitical rival in the Post WWII era. But I have learned to accept this nonchalant attitude as a fact. Maybe some don't regard our sovereignty as important to any degree. Maybe some think that interference never even happened.
It was a type of attack, grounded in the new battlefield of cyber war. Both via hacking and via manipulation of social media. Maybe because we ourselves have engaged in cyber warfare, and some may see it as "what goes around comes around". I'm not sure of all the factors that make so many Americans shrug their shoulders at Russian interference. We can be certain the new possibilities of achieving foreign policy aims against rivals/enemies, without firing a shot, or losing one Russian soldier, has not been lost on Putin. I really wish all Americans would just wake up and recognize an attack as an attack, but I do accept that some Americans are incapable of giving a damn in that respect.
Meanwhile, the FBI raided the office of Trump's lawyer, Cohen, today. Sounds like it pertains to the Stormy Daniels matter, and not the Russian investigation.
It was a type of attack, grounded in the new battlefield of cyber war. Both via hacking and via manipulation of social media. Maybe because we ourselves have engaged in cyber warfare, and some may see it as "what goes around comes around". I'm not sure of all the factors that make so many Americans shrug their shoulders at Russian interference. We can be certain the new possibilities of achieving foreign policy aims against rivals/enemies, without firing a shot, or losing one Russian soldier, has not been lost on Putin. I really wish all Americans would just wake up and recognize an attack as an attack, but I do accept that some Americans are incapable of giving a damn in that respect.
Meanwhile, the FBI raided the office of Trump's lawyer, Cohen, today. Sounds like it pertains to the Stormy Daniels matter, and not the Russian investigation.
Joe Bagadonuts
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Everyone must agree that this is being handled correctly?
Conflicting information.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...igher-than-normal-bar/?utm_term=.cf36215be654
Multiple sources report it was affair related. But Cohen's lawyer says it was referred by Muellers office.
The checks included in the article show a link back to possibly(probably?) Rosenstein.
Seems like it wouldn't be worth the squeeze if all he wants is a black eye to Cohen.
We'll be sure to let you know when the world needs an expert on your lower bowel, or the tip of your nose.
Joe Bagadonuts
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I've noticed a shocking difference in the response when a conservative is accused of some political misdoing vs when a liberal is accused. As for our sovereignty, anyone who is surprised that foreign powers would attempt to exert influence in whatever ways they can needs their head examined. We should expect this, not be shocked by it.
I think we should expect this massive investigation to produce actual results indicating that there is a connection between Russian hacking and the Trump campaign, or to come to some other conclusion. The salivation over this whole process from the never-Trump crowd gets more ridiculous every day. They are so starved for his demise that every development in the case, no matter how minor, ignites a new round of rampant, one-sided speculation. The vast majority of these anti-Trumpers seem incapable of recognizing that this investigation has produced very, very little so far. But Mueller did find a foreigner guilty of something that apparently warrants a 30 day sentence, so they must be getting very close to handing down the indictments of Trump and his inner circle for collusion with the Russians, right?
Thanks. I'm not sure what your point is, but if anyone wants an expert on your toenail fungus or on your ear hair I'll be sure to send them your way.
I'll say it again, if Trump fires Mueller either he gets impeached or mass demonstrations, which I will take part in.
I hope there is a line for Trump's fellow Republicans and I hope that firing Mueller is well beyond that line.
I hope there is a line for Trump's fellow Republicans and I hope that firing Mueller is well beyond that line.
Red
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I know, personally, I was not shocked that Putin's Russia could be good at the new warfare made possible by cyber battlefields. Be it stealing emails and releasing them weaponized, or weaponizing social media, staging actual rallies on our soil, even. I'm not surprised their so-called "active measures" is that aggressive, and not just when used against us. My mistake was expecting a strong response on the part of American citizens to recognize this form of attack as an attack, at least when it was all laid out there. I don't know, to me it's as if Putin kicked us in the nuts, and we decide we're just going to take it. My mistake was expecting a more robust response.
I'm not surprised that such a response was not forthcoming from Trump, and I could speculate all night on the why, I suspect there's a great deal there, and I do expect when all is said and done, we will either see too close a relationship to mobsters, or a traitor. Or both.
Here is the Trump I recognize all too well, the Trump I fully expected, the Trump that represents what I too naively perhaps do not believe represents the best in our national character:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/04/trumps-assault-on-rule-of-law/557600/
Am I detached from reality if I believe that portrays who our President is, and gave every indication he would be if he were elected?
That''s the Trump I recognized from the day he descended the escalator. I can't help it. That's what I was afraid of. Is it a lie? It's for sure the antithesis of the Trump portrayed by Foxlandia. You speak derisively of the "never Trump" crowd. Well, Trump is the man who would stand above the law. "Never-Trump"?? Why would anyone EVER want such a man as their leader?!
Now maybe we get to see the real fireworks. Maybe a constitutional crisis. Likely the most tumultuous mid terms of our lifetimes. I believe my view of Trump will be the view History judges the man to have been. I hope we come out of this mess in one piece. And I hope Putin gets his.
Red
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It sure is sounding like he will fire him. I don't doubt that Trump would sacrifice the midterms to save his skin. Temporarily, at least. Excellent chance the Democrats win at least the House anyway. Sorry to say, I also don't doubt a Republican House will fail to impeach him if he fires Mueller. Too many don't seem to care how history will judge them. Right now, Trump is like a cornered animal. With a foreign crisis in Syria to change the subject. But with a noose around Cohen, he may say **** it, and fire Mueller soon.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/10/politics/robert-mueller-donald-trump-white-house/index.html