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So here is a question... Favs and Rudy were good together but what I keep hearing is Favs is valuable as a backup center... well what if we took on someone’s overpaid center for a year and got a pick for doing so. We can do so with our unguaranteed players.

So what if we got Gortat, Chandler, Arthur, Koufos, and got some draft capital. Combine that with playing a big wing or average stretch 4... is that better than running it back with Favs?

I don’t know but there are going to be some interesting wrinkles.

Another thing I’ve considered... what if we aren’t really concerned with having cap space next year... there will be some really good values on MLE contracts this year. Could be a great asset that helps us land the big piece in a trade... think like the deal that Jae signed in Boston and how coveted it was.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Harris and Oladipo looked good in Orlando. They didnt look as good, but they still looked good.
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And they both got max contracts or close to it, and weren't close to being worth it at the time. You have to pay a significant premium for players in the 22-25 range.
Sometimes you hit gold, sometime it backfires, but you have to take a chance on someone at some point.
 
Hear me out on this.. I think you offer Jabari the following contract:

Year 1: $11,869,186
Year 2: $12,462,645

Why? Then you'd have his bird rights. In order to qualify for "Early Bird Rights" players can play at a maximum value of 175% of their previous contract. Thats where I'm getting those numbers from. Give him a two year deal, let him play motivated, and if he is able to reach his potential then you can give him a max on his next contract. If not, that contract doesn't kill you in the long run.
 
David Stern said:
Hear me out on this.. I think you offer Jabari the following contract:

Year 1: $11,869,186
Year 2: $12,462,645

Why? Then you'd have his bird rights. In order to qualify for "Early Bird Rights" players can play at a maximum value of 175% of their previous contract. Thats where I'm getting those numbers from. Give him a two year deal, let him play motivated, and if he is able to reach his potential then you can give him a max on his next contract. If not, that contract doesn't kill you in the long run.
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Why does Milwaukee not match that? Why does Jabari sign that; is that the best he can get?
 
NUMBERICA said:
Why does Milwaukee not match that? Why does Jabari sign that; is that the best he can get?
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I also have questions about how we got 11M in cap space... if we are going to make believe town we can do better.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
So here is a question... Favs and Rudy were good together but what I keep hearing is Favs is valuable as a backup center... well what if we took on someone’s overpaid center for a year and got a pick for doing so. We can do so with our unguaranteed players.

So what if we got Gortat, Chandler, Arthur, Koufos, and got some draft capital. Combine that with playing a big wing or average stretch 4... is that better than running it back with Favs?
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I lean towards trades that give us additional assets.

We have Ingles, O'Neale, Mitchell and Crowder on a combined $25 million the next two seasons. That's absolutely ridiculous. Since there aren't many great free agents this year (unless you consider Herzonja or Parker a great free agent), our strength is in our expiring (Burks $10.5) and our non-guaranteeds ($12.5).

My main trades I would pursue involving expiring deals:

Gortat - $13.5 expiring we could get by trading Udoh, Jerekbo and a small deal http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y85pbkp5. Gortat and #17 for those guys? Saves Washington a ton of money.

DeMarre Carroll - $15.4 expiring we could get using Burks' expiring and maybe a 2nd. Saves Brooklyn some cash and they get a younger player with more potential.

Wes Matthews - $18.6 expiring we could get using Burks' expiring and a non-guaranteed like Udoh.

Wilson Chandler - $12.8 expiring but would Denver really give us an asset to take him for an expiring? Maybe Burks for Chandler and #43?

Tyson Chandler $13.6 expiring - if we wanted a good backup center, we could trade Burks and #52 for Chandler and #31. That first pick of the 2nd round could be a good trade chip to put with #21 to move up.

Dellavadova - $9.6 the next 2 years. I think he would be a welcome addition to the lockerroom and personality of the team. I hate his $9.6 in 2019, but he could be stretched if need be after next season. That would be less than $2 per year for 5 years. I bet we could offer Udoh, Jerekbo and multiple 2nd's for Dellie and #17. Maybe we trade Burks and #21 for Dellie and #17. I'm stretching here.
 
LoPo said:
I lean towards trades that give us additional assets.

We have Ingles, O'Neale, Mitchell and Crowder on a combined $25 million the next two seasons. That's absolutely ridiculous. Since there aren't many great free agents this year (unless you consider Herzonja or Parker a great free agent), our strength is in our expiring (Burks $10.5) and our non-guaranteeds ($12.5).

My main trades I would pursue involving expiring deals:

Gortat - $13.5 expiring we could get by trading Udoh, Jerekbo and a small deal http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y85pbkp5. Gortat and #17 for those guys? Saves Washington a ton of money.

DeMarre Carroll - $15.4 expiring we could get using Burks' expiring and maybe a 2nd. Saves Brooklyn some cash and they get a younger player with more potential.

Wes Matthews - $18.6 expiring we could get using Burks' expiring and a non-guaranteed like Udoh.

Wilson Chandler - $12.8 expiring but would Denver really give us an asset to take him for an expiring? Maybe Burks for Chandler and #43?

Tyson Chandler $13.6 expiring - if we wanted a good backup center, we could trade Burks and #52 for Chandler and #31. That first pick of the 2nd round could be a good trade chip to put with #21 to move up.

Dellavadova - $9.6 the next 2 years. I think he would be a welcome addition to the lockerroom and personality of the team. I hate his $9.6 in 2019, but he could be stretched if need be after next season. That would be less than $2 per year for 5 years. I bet we could offer Udoh, Jerekbo and multiple 2nd's for Dellie and #17. Maybe we trade Burks and #21 for Dellie and #17. I'm stretching here.
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I think considering the savings for the Nets, Burks for Carroll straight across works.

I think you might have to attach an asset to turn Burks into Wilson Chandler, but I really don't know. More than that, I think I might just prefer Burks.

I think the Gortat scenario is something strongly worth looking at for both sides. Especially if they get Udoh, who I think is better than Gortat anyway. That he expires in 2019 is pretty sweet, but I'd still sniff around NY about their #9 and Noah (who I think would end up gelling with the group quite nicely and serve as a fine pure-backup to Rudy, which would also neutralize one of Favors biggest selling points [depth at center], if that's where this is headed, although that obviously slaughters 2019 free agency, but if they see another Donovan Mitchell and that's the only way there?).
 
NUMBERICA said:
I think considering the savings for the Nets, Burks for Carroll straight across works.

I think you might have to attach an asset to turn Burks into Wilson Chandler, but I really don't know. More than that, I think I might just prefer Burks.

I think the Gortat scenario is something strongly worth looking at for both sides. Especially if they get Udoh, who I think is better than Gortat anyway. That he expires in 2019 is pretty sweet, but I'd still sniff around NY about their #9 and Noah (who I think would end up gelling with the group quite nicely and serve as a fine pure-backup to Rudy, which would also neutralize one of Favors biggest selling points [depth at center], if that's where this is headed, although that obviously slaughters 2019 free agency, but if they see another Donovan Mitchell and that's the only way there?).
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I think we could get to #11 by doing unguaranteed guys and #21 for Marvin Williams. I think Noah is cooked and I don't think NY will do the deal honestly. The premium to get to top 9 will be high.

Wilson Chandler scares me... he looks great, then disappears and has some health concerns. I don't think they'd do AB for him straight up. They would likely love to get off of his contract so he is very available.

I think a version of the Gortat deal could happen, but I think it might be after the draft and involve their 2019 pick. Just a hunch there.

Phoenix supposedly wants Capela... they would need to clear some space for a max offer... we could do unguaranteeds and #21, for Chandler, 16, 31. I don't see a pressing need to move up, but there is enough value that I would angle for it.
 
Another thing I've gone and reviewed in my mind... Are we sure Jae Crowder is good? He brings toughness which I appreciate, but his shooting numbers are pretty bad. Honestly he's had one good three point shooting year. He's a good defender, but not amazing.

I take him over Hood, but I don't know that we "need" to keep him around if a good trade offer came our way. I fully expect him to be back but 31% 3 pt shooting (33% in the playoffs) isn't that good... and it is closer to his career average than the 40% year he had in Boston. I think Jae's perceived value might be higher than his actual value... maybe he will be better once acclimated... who knows?
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Another thing I've gone and reviewed in my mind... Are we sure Jae Crowder is good? He brings toughness which I appreciate, but his shooting numbers are pretty bad. Honestly he's had one good three point shooting year. He's a good defender, but not amazing.

I take him over Hood, but I don't know that we "need" to keep him around if a good trade offer came our way. I fully expect him to be back but 31% 3 pt shooting (33% in the playoffs) isn't that good... and it is closer to his career average than the 40% year he had in Boston. I think Jae's perceived value might be higher than his actual value... maybe he will be better once acclimated... who knows?
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He's good, and he'll be better, and he's making less than the MLE. At a minimum, he is good insurance/leverage in the Favors situation.

If the right deal comes along, I trade anyone. Well, except Mitchell.
 
NUMBERICA said:
He's good, and he'll be better, and he's making less than the MLE. At a minimum, he is good insurance/leverage in the Favors situation.

If the right deal comes along, I trade anyone. Well, except Mitchell.
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I definitely like him. Just thinking if Charlotte is willing to move back and swap Crowder+21 (and unguaranteed players) for Williams+11 I might like that better. Saves them money without looking like they are taking a step back. Not sure how much DL likes Miles Bridges, but he very well could be there at 11.
 
I don't want another person to question Jae's value ever again. The guy makes $6.8, $7.3 and $7.8. Sure, he's not a superstar, but he is one of the best values in the entire league. He's probably top 3-5 in terms of guys not on a rookie scale contract.
 
Let me also be perfectly clear that I love Crowder and very much view him as a piece that will be here for the contention years. He checks off a lot of really important boxes that a player (here) should.
 
LoPo said:
I don't want another person to question Jae's value ever again. The guy makes $6.8, $7.3 and $7.8. Sure, he's not a superstar, but he is one of the best values in the entire league. He's probably top 3-5 in terms of guys not on a rookie scale contract.
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He is valuable, but I'm not sure he's an amazing value. He only has the 2 years left now. I'm just saying he isn't as stretchy as some may think.
 
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