The Ultimate Best Elite World-Class Jazz Off-Season Guide

[NUMBERICA]

I’ve been watching everybody’s horrible trade takes on this thread for years. Every year it’s let’s pick up this mid level guy or crappy stretch 4 that won’t really take us to an elite level.

I honestly think getting kawhi can get us to championship level. If there’s a way we could do that and keep Gobert I’m for it. But I think trading Gobert gives us the best chance at acquiring kawhi. Keeping Gobert and adding a half &$& stretch 4 doesn’t get us pass the Wc finals in my opinion. toward the top but not a championship level team.

I’ve followed the jazz since I was at David Robinson’s 1st game in slc in the salt palace in 1989, and they never take a risk to win it all. Even in the Stockton to Malone days.

With Donovan Mitchell now on this team, who is our best player since the Stockton to Malone days. It’s time we take a chance and try to win! Now. Maybe Donovan can recruit a guy in free agency in the next 2-4 years. But a trade may be our only chance to get a kawhi quality player, even if only for 2 years.


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You keep being wrong. Kawhi is a free agent next offseason. The <1% chance he opts in is if he basically doesn't play because of his leg (which if it's actually still that big of a problem at this stage, then it is very, very, very serious), or plays absolutely terribly.

I cannot think of one instance in all of history that a franchise traded a cornerstone - what Rudy is - and became a champion. This trade is a death blow to the two things that make this team this team: chemistry and defense.

You're getting blown up because your plan is both bad and nearly impossible.

 

[NUMBERICA]

The only problem with Rudy’s contract is that it’s not longer.

This has to be an alt.

I like how in one post he complains about how bad Rudy's contract is, in another says Rudy is a huge asset, and in another says that the contract is good.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Starting to think it's an alt, particularly because of how slow it is around here these days, on top of the obviously laughable takes, inconsistencies, and typos.

 

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Donovan recruiting:

 

[Keefe]

Great, Donovan still in a walking boot. And game 5 was 12 days ago. SMFH.

 

[Deckard]

I like Rudy. I like his defense , all the opponent´s shoots he change. The fear he provokes in the zone. That´s a fact. This deserves a high contract and great appreciation but i THINK to consider Rudy the franchise player of a contender he needs to develop a shot (pick& pop) and learn at least two movements in the post. He can´t depend on the miracolous pass from Ricky or Joe or Dennis in the pick & roll. This can works in regular season, not always, but in playoffs, with high voltage defenses is too predictible. If Rudy developes those things he will be unstoppable, if not we need another star to put in 20 ppg if needed. Dennis , i know maybe is too soon, but i think he willl be a HAF but he is too young yet to carry the team on to the finals

solution? Find the way to play Rudy and Favs at 100% together, i think this would need Favs to play more open,threatening from 3 and playing inside out. I´m not sure that Favs could be that guy. I hope so. If not maybe we need a real actual 4, not a 4/5 that is what i think Favs is. I don´t think Hezonja is the man.

On the other hand we need something more for the second unit. If Exum develops a jumper he could be a legit 2, not a 1 in my opinion. Crowder, Royce, o.k. I don´t believe in Bradley.We need a 5 that can get points and plays a little defense (easy and cheap ) and another 4 ( I like Bjelica).

Sorry for this brick i throwed and my ugly english

 

[Dali]

Rudy changes opposing players' and coaches' mindsets every time he even steps half a foot onto the court. That is a massive impact to have even before the ball becomes live in gameplay. You just don't get rid of that easily, in fact you add to it.

The time for the jazz is not now fellas. We need to be patient. We're amongst the 'best of the rest' and even then we're not close. We've got the warriors blowing out the rockets by 40, the best team in the regular season, damn it. We're not close. Risking your core away with th warriors as they are, and LeBron still as he is, isn't intelligent in my opinion.

Gather the troops, and assault in about 4 years.

 

[LoPo]

"This is so bad that it makes some of Lopo’s asinine trade threads look reasonable."

Screw you too @Ellis269 jeez....

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[Coach Ellis]

"This is so bad that it makes some of Lopo’s asinine trade threads look reasonable."

Screw you too @Ellis269 jeez....

Don’t take it personally. I’m just teasing. Sometimes, in your zeal you do come up with some pretty bad ones. Doesn’t mean that we don’t still appreciate the effort.

 

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Rubio is not even slightly concerned with hiding he's recruiting:

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Rubio is not even slightly concerned with hiding he's recruiting:

I think this is a great fit... pray the T wolves don't make a QO and then we can sign him as an unrestricted FA. When healthy I think he is as good as Niko. Not a LT solution because of age, but next couple years as a stretch 4.

 

[David Stern]

Great, Donovan still in a walking boot. And game 5 was 12 days ago. SMFH.

The season has only been over for 12 days? damn, it feels like it's been months already... this offseason is going to suckkk

 

[Quin's Murderface]

I’ve been watching everybody’s horrible trade takes on this thread for years. Every year it’s let’s pick up this mid level guy or crappy stretch 4 that won’t really take us to an elite level.

I honestly think getting kawhi can get us to championship level. If there’s a way we could do that and keep Gobert I’m for it. But I think trading Gobert gives us the best chance at acquiring kawhi. Keeping Gobert and adding a half &$& stretch 4 doesn’t get us pass the Wc finals in my opinion. toward the top but not a championship level team.

I’ve followed the jazz since I was at David Robinson’s 1st game in slc in the salt palace in 1989, and they never take a risk to win it all. Even in the Stockton to Malone days.

With Donovan Mitchell now on this team, who is our best player since the Stockton to Malone days. It’s time we take a chance and try to win! Now. Maybe Donovan can recruit a guy in free agency in the next 2-4 years. But a trade may be our only chance to get a kawhi quality player, even if only for 2 years.


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The problem with this is that Rudy is our best player. Donovan MIGHT end up being that in a couple years but for now he's a slightly inefficient chucker and a decent defender. I love the kid and think he's going to be great, but he's not our best player. You saying that makes you look like you don't know what you are talking about and probably means you don't understand why Rudy is an elite NBA player that should never be traded.

 

[Ron Mexico]

The problem with this is that Rudy is our best player. Donovan MIGHT end up being that in a couple years but for now he's a slightly inefficient chucker and a decent defender. I love the kid and think he's going to be great, but he's not our best player. You saying that makes you look like you don't know what you are talking about and probably means you don't understand why Rudy is an elite NBA player that should never be traded.

Yes, if you only look at Mitchell's stats he is somewhat inefficient. That undersells his influence on the game though this season. He is completely rearranging defenses when he is on the court now. Mitchell's influence on the Jazz on offense is just as big as what Gobert is doing on defense. I think Mitchell has surpassed Gobert now as our best player and the playoffs showed that. Beyond the on court stuff as well Mitchell is the leader which is big as well for being our best player.

But I do agree Gobert is elite and a great player we should not trade.

In a vaccum I would trade Gobert for Leonard if contracts and personality where not issues though. Leonard is elite on both ends. But his contract situation is very concerning. His very peculiar injury situation is a concern and his fit with our team is a concern. Those things mean I would not make the trade.

Now if we could trade anyone not named Gobert or Mitchell for Leonard and we knew he would actually come here and play then I would go for it. Those three healthy could win you a championship. I would sacrifice plenty of other things even for the risk of getting him for 1 year.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Great, Donovan still in a walking boot. And game 5 was 12 days ago. SMFH.

I busted up my ankle pretty good and was in a walking boot for a few weeks. Helps take all the pressure off the injury. As long as he's doing other work to maintain the muscle mass in his leg and joint flexibility it isn't all that bad. I wore the boot even when I could walk normally for a couple weeks at the advice of my doctor. My physical therapist wasn't happy, but I could have been doing both earlier.

 

[NUMBERICA]

The problem with this is that Rudy is our best player. Donovan MIGHT end up being that in a couple years but for now he's a slightly inefficient chucker and a decent defender. I love the kid and think he's going to be great, but he's not our best player. You saying that makes you look like you don't know what you are talking about and probably means you don't understand why Rudy is an elite NBA player that should never be traded.

There's no need to **** on the best rookie in franchise history. The team needed both, the gravity Mitchell creates and his clutch performance already makes him a bona fide superstar and critical to sustainable success.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Yes, if you only look at Mitchell's stats he is somewhat inefficient. That undersells his influence on the game though this season. He is completely rearranging defenses when he is on the court now. Mitchell's influence on the Jazz on offense is just as big as what Gobert is doing on defense. I think Mitchell has surpassed Gobert now as our best player and the playoffs showed that. Beyond the on court stuff as well Mitchell is the leader which is big as well for being our best player.

But I do agree Gobert is elite and a great player we should not trade.

In a vaccum I would trade Gobert for Leonard if contracts and personality where not issues though. Leonard is elite on both ends. But his contract situation is very concerning. His very peculiar injury situation is a concern and his fit with our team is a concern. Those things mean I would not make the trade.

Now if we could trade anyone not named Gobert or Mitchell for Leonard and we knew he would actually come here and play then I would go for it. Those three healthy could win you a championship. I would sacrifice plenty of other things even for the risk of getting him for 1 year.

I would do stupid things to have a team of Mitchell, Kawhi, and Gobert, even just for one season. But they ALL have to be there.

 

[campaignist]

Great, Donovan still in a walking boot. And game 5 was 12 days ago. SMFH.

Better now than waiting for later like Isaiah Thomas.

 

[LifeOnaPlate]

I would sacrifice plenty of other things even for the risk of getting him for 1 year.

I wouldn't. Don't give up too much for a rental. George Hill/Paul George situations loom large. Even Cousins, who I think would have looked around even if he hadn't got injured. Has any good player locked in to a team they were traded to on a one-year deal?

 

[Ron Mexico]

I wouldn't. Don't give up too much for a rental. George Hill/Paul George situations loom large. Even Cousins, who I think would have looked around even if he hadn't got injured. Has any good player locked in to a team they were traded to on a one-year deal?

I have no idea if someone has stayed or not on a situation like this. But the team would have a lot more control of that player due to salary cap situations. But in this situation you are adding a finals MVP player. That is much better than Hill or Cousins and better than PG. I think he would give us a legitimate chance at winning it all. Taking that chance is worth it to me. I would hope he would sign an extension or re-sign with us but I would even do it for 1 year and 1 shot.