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He has some skill and he has good handle. otherwise we wouldn't be talking about him as an offense-creator. He's better offensive creator than Huerter for example. The question is - can he be efficient enough to be primary or secondary offensive creator when he's lacking the elite athleticism and wiggle? IMO he needs not just good offensive creation, he needs to be close to elite. Good doesn't do it. Hood was damn near elite as a PnR scorer and on ISOs/postups... and it still wasn't enough. If offensive creation is all he does, he needs to be elite at it, not just good.

I dunno if he needs to be THE GUY who creates offense in our system where DMitch will have the ball is his hand a tonne and Jingle will also have the ball is his hand a tonne, and we're playing European ball where the ball is moving all the time. We do have DMitch if the offense stagnate and he's elite at creating offense.

If you pair JRob with DMitch, DMitch will have the ball in his hand a lot more than JRob, probably 70/30. JRob just needs to be able to knock down open 3's when called upon and take over some ball handling responsibility when needed.

Also at #21, you're not gonna get someone being 'elite' at many things... JRob is sufficiently quick and shifty, has good size for the combo guard position and he can knock down open 3's at 40%+ rate... to me that is more than you can ask for with the #21 pick.
 
I am ready for the draft. People have their favorites and all players have their flaws. I am just hoping the Jazz can get a contributor off the bench who can score and play some defense.
 
How many of his shots were blocked, deflected, stripped, etc, in comparison to other NBA prospects? The average ncaa wing?

Did he have some shots blocked, deflected or stripped? no doubt he did. But everybody else did too. What can you show us to help us know whether it was a real issue in comparison to other prospect or payers? Otherwise it seems like an issue you are making up.

I don't have any numbers to back it up. It's just something I see using the good ole eye test. I see that and I see a lot of contested shots.

Here are some videos that show what I mean





I'm not saying he's a bad prospect or anything either. I'm just saying his ability to get separation is questionable to me.
 
Gordon, is that you? Seriously, lots of people were saying the same thing about Gordon Hayward, who incidentally also shot 29% from 3-pt as a soph. Troy Brown's numbers as a freshman in the Pac 12 are comparable to Jaylen Brown. Troy isn't the same athlete obviously, but he has better ball skills.

He'll be fine, though I agree his ceiling will come down to how well he improves his shooting. But the dude is only 18 for crying out loud.

Ultimately, it's a non-issue. Brown will probably get picked several spots above the Jazz if the Jazz stay at 21. He's in play as high as #12 to LAC.

Hayward shot 44.8% from three as a frosh though
 
I dunno if he needs to be THE GUY who creates offense in our system where DMitch will have the ball is his hand a tonne and Jingle will also have the ball is his hand a tonne, and we're playing European ball where the ball is moving all the time. We do have DMitch if the offense stagnate and he's elite at creating offense.

If you pair JRob with DMitch, DMitch will have the ball in his hand a lot more than JRob, probably 70/30. JRob just needs to be able to knock down open 3's when called upon and take over some ball handling responsibility when needed.

Also at #21, you're not gonna get someone being 'elite' at many things... JRob is sufficiently quick and shifty, has good size for the combo guard position and he can knock down open 3's at 40%+ rate... to me that is more than you can ask for with the #21 pick.
The whole point is that it's very possible this won't be enough to keep him on the floor, because he does nothing else and is liability on defense. You are much better off getting an above average defender who hits 35% of his 3s than an inefficient creator who hits 40% of his spot up 3s but gets cooked on defense. Also if his off-the-dribble shooting drops to the levels I expect, because of his limitations he won't be shooting 40% from 3... he will be much closer to what Hood was - 35-36% from 3 who's liability on defense.
 
I don't have any numbers to back it up. It's just something I see using the good ole eye test. I see that and I see a lot of contested shots.

Here are some videos that show what I mean



To anyone who doesn't think JRob can create or isn't explosive or shifty look at 2.53min mark of the video above.


That boy can fly.
 
I dunno if he needs to be THE GUY who creates offense in our system where DMitch will have the ball is his hand a tonne and Jingle will also have the ball is his hand a tonne, and we're playing European ball where the ball is moving all the time. We do have DMitch if the offense stagnate and he's elite at creating offense.

If you pair JRob with DMitch, DMitch will have the ball in his hand a lot more than JRob, probably 70/30. JRob just needs to be able to knock down open 3's when called upon and take over some ball handling responsibility when needed.

Also at #21, you're not gonna get someone being 'elite' at many things... JRob is sufficiently quick and shifty, has good size for the combo guard position and he can knock down open 3's at 40%+ rate... to me that is more than you can ask for with the #21 pick.

He had one year in college where he shot 40.9% from three and you act as if it’s just obvious Robinson is going to be drilling threes at that figure at the further NBA distance.
 
To anyone who doesn't think JRob can create or isn't explosive or shifty look at 2.53min mark of the video above.


That boy can fly.

The one where he can’t get past his guy as he drives to no man’s land, and kicks out an errant pass back out the perimeter? That one?
 



I strongly suspect this is actually whats going on. The Kings appear to be posturing (bluffing) like they'll take MPJr to try and force a teams hand to trade up, and Porters' camp knows, so this is the response.. My initial reaction to this whole cancelled workout thing was actually right along these lines. Color me a non-believer.
 
This is what The Ringer said about JRob:


I dunno.. are they lying? Did they just make all that up?

Their not lying just watch his mid-range game u will see flashes of that stuff constantly. he's got this great way of being hurky jerky but then pulling up with a pure J outa nowhere, like a prime Prince Naseem in the boxing ring :D
 
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How do you think his passing/decision making project? I haven't really been able to get a good handle on that. Also how do you think his season would have went if he went to Louisville? I wonder if he's so talented that he could have put up Malik Monk numbers, or if he was too raw to put up good counting stats.

He's really not bad at PG, I like his handle, he's very shifty while keeping the ball very low which is something I am actually big on.... they had him playing next to another combo at IMG Eric Ayala who's gonna be a good guard in college, actually he's kinda like Jerome Robinson, but I digress. Simons is good at dumpoff type of passes and he's particularly effective on the break. He's got legit burst to keep these defenders honest, he's both explosive and finesse.

Simons can develop into a fulltime PG, in a sort of Jeff teague type of capacity IMO. He's got good awareness.

Simons can get white scalding hot for sure he'd have put up an easy 15-5-5 for Louisville and been the star of their offense.

He'd destroy thru college, he's not THAT raw...

Simons UL season could've gone like D'Angelo Russells at OSU as far as im concerned he could've really blown up. No oubt in my mind he'd go near the lottery next szn.

You have this AWESOMELY talented SG in next years draft named Romeo Langford but of the pure guards there's a steep decline in talent after him and Anfernee Simons absolutely would've been one of the very next in line.

He's gambling on himself here, taking the $ upfront and the opportunity to hit the free market a year earlier, rather than waiting another year and getting double upfront.. This is not some short-term $$$ grab, strike while the iron's hot ********, Anfernee Simons has MAJOR staying power and is betting on it...

the selling point for the Jazz is simple, he's possibly a guard to put next to Mitchell that makes the offense even more difficult to contain.
 
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Just watched Drazen Musa highlights for the first time, and I have to say, those were some of the most enjoyable highlights I’ve ever seen to watch. I can’t believe he’s 6-8 and moves the way he does. I wouldn’t mind it if the jazz drafted him. He seems to have a nice range of skills. Step back, euro step, killer cross over, and range that goes forever. I just have no idea if he plays defense or not.
 
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