RandyForRubio
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PER is only a decent stat within context.
Following Potential 2018 Draftees
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#LockeWatch: Locke said that Musa took control in the workout with the Jazz. He was conducting the workout and instructing the other players what to do and where to be. He thought it was very impressive for a 19 year old kid from Europe.
Seth Davis has some interesting stuff on certain players that he gets from several anonymous scouts. Here is what he has for Troy Brown:
Troy Brown, 6-7 freshman guard, Oregon.
“One of the youngest players in the draft. Really, really versatile. He had kind of an underwhelming year at Oregon. Came in with a big reputation. High character guy. He does a little bit of everything, but I don’t know what he does at an elite level. Has size, knows how to play, can pass. He’s super young, so it might take a year or two to figure it out. People are touting him as somebody who can defend, but he’s going to have to really work at it because he’s not a naturally elite athlete. I thought he was tougher than he is.”
Even with the questions about his athleticism, I think he should be our pick. That versatility is tantalizing.
Troy Brown, 6-7 freshman guard, Oregon.
“One of the youngest players in the draft. Really, really versatile. He had kind of an underwhelming year at Oregon. Came in with a big reputation. High character guy. He does a little bit of everything, but I don’t know what he does at an elite level. Has size, knows how to play, can pass. He’s super young, so it might take a year or two to figure it out. People are touting him as somebody who can defend, but he’s going to have to really work at it because he’s not a naturally elite athlete. I thought he was tougher than he is.”
Even with the questions about his athleticism, I think he should be our pick. That versatility is tantalizing.
This would be my Top 25 Big Board...
1 Luca Doncic
2 Jaren Jackson Jr.
3 Mo Bamba
4 Marvin Bagley
5 Deandre Ayton
6 Michael Porter Jr.
7 Trae Young
8 Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
9 Wendell Carter
10 Kevin Knox
11 Colin Sexton
12 Miles Bridges
13 Robert Williams
14 Jerome Robinson
15 Elie Okobo
16 Lonnie Walker
17 Mikal Bridges
18 Troy Brown
19 Kevin Huerter
20 Zhaire Smith
21 Josh Okogie
22 Anfernee Simons
23 Dzanan Musa
24 Donte Divincenzo
25 Gary Trent Jr.
1 Luca Doncic
2 Jaren Jackson Jr.
3 Mo Bamba
4 Marvin Bagley
5 Deandre Ayton
6 Michael Porter Jr.
7 Trae Young
8 Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
9 Wendell Carter
10 Kevin Knox
11 Colin Sexton
12 Miles Bridges
13 Robert Williams
14 Jerome Robinson
15 Elie Okobo
16 Lonnie Walker
17 Mikal Bridges
18 Troy Brown
19 Kevin Huerter
20 Zhaire Smith
21 Josh Okogie
22 Anfernee Simons
23 Dzanan Musa
24 Donte Divincenzo
25 Gary Trent Jr.
Jack Strop
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I'd be ok with Musa. Jazz can devellop him for a year or two, get him in the weight room. Jazz certainly do well with international players.
Based on @Handlogten's Heros Zeller/Plumlee rubric, Cleveland loses this trade.
LoPo
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He also said that he's not sure if Wagner can even survive in the NBA and that he cannot play the 4.
If we're drafting a guy that is strictly a backup 5, I'd rather go Spellman or Jarred Vanderbilt (INSANE rebounder [18.5 per 40], protects the rim, can probably guard 5 positions [but his entire offensive skillset is being a garbage man]. Rodman-esque).
zyzz
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Wagner can put the ball on the floor better than people think, but I'd still be very disappointed if that's who we take at 21.
I'm a big fan of the Moose. He seems like a natural scorer and leader. Also a better athlete than I think he gets credit for. Great first step, good bounce, can score in a bunch of ways.
Doesn't have length, though. Average wingspan is essentially below average in today's NBA.
Doesn't have length, though. Average wingspan is essentially below average in today's NBA.
Olynyk was a more complete player. Better passer, did more in PnR.
Sounds very un-Hood like.
Can we really trust a guy who can't differentiate a pen from a Sharpie?
RandyForRubio
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I love Vanderbilt in the 2nd.
I want to like Musa at 21, but I just don’t.
Really want Huerter, don’t think he’ll be there.
I would like Troy Brown and think that’s becoming more likely.
I like DD and Allen, but they’re also kinda boring with limited upside.
I want to like Musa at 21, but I just don’t.
Really want Huerter, don’t think he’ll be there.
I would like Troy Brown and think that’s becoming more likely.
I like DD and Allen, but they’re also kinda boring with limited upside.
Handlogten's Heros
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Anytime you receive a zeller or plumlee you lose the trade... anytime you trade one you are the clear winner. Also at sometime I’m hoping there is a child born out of wedlock between members of these families and we get the Zeller-Plumlee hyphenated name player who becomes the next big plodding 7 footer that can’t shoot but coaches love how he plays.
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The work ethic and desire stuff on him sounds promising... I do wonder if that strong will is also coachable.
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Based on the rise of Robinson, Huerter, and Holiday... i think either Troy Brown or Okobo will be there when we pick... I wouldn’t trade up unless it involved only additional 2018 salary and if we could get Miles Bridges.
I think the Jazz will make a trade to move up in the draft. Not sure how high they'll get, but I think they'll make a move for someone they've keyed in on. Last year they were slotted at 24, 30 and 42 and ended up moving all three of those picks to draft at 13 and 28.
They signed all three of their free agents last year to non-guaranteed deals, which if nothing else allows them to absorb $10M in salary if they renounced all three. Those guys were signed to be moved when the opportunity arose.
I think they'd like to come out of this draft with an athletic forward like Kevin Knox, Miles Bridges or Troy Brown, all of whom could go in the top 15. Even if they want a guy like Huerter, Musa, Okobo or JRob, they'd need to move up 5 spots to be sure they get their guy.
They signed all three of their free agents last year to non-guaranteed deals, which if nothing else allows them to absorb $10M in salary if they renounced all three. Those guys were signed to be moved when the opportunity arose.
I think they'd like to come out of this draft with an athletic forward like Kevin Knox, Miles Bridges or Troy Brown, all of whom could go in the top 15. Even if they want a guy like Huerter, Musa, Okobo or JRob, they'd need to move up 5 spots to be sure they get their guy.