Let’s talk about fours

[Ron Mexico]

I would also chase Aaron Gordon. He could be the ideal fit.


If we strike out I would look at sign and trading Favors for Jabari. Win win for both teams.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I know it’s a somewhat unpopular opinion, but I think it’s time to move on from Favors. I don’t know that we really even need someone super talented at the four, but rather a specific skill set. I’ve said multiple times that if we had a guy who 1) could reasonably hit open threes 2) play decent D and 3) not be an atrocious rebounder, then that would make our team game a lot stronger than whatever talent the actual player brings (or lacks). Unfortunately, it’s easier to talk about those guys than land them, and there really aren’t any on the FA market. I’d be curious on the attainability of a few guys around the league.

Skal Labissiere:

Rumored they were going to waive him during the season. Very long and 6’11”. Great character from everything I know. Shot ok from deep through 2 years on limited attempts (35.6% 21/59). Good FT shooter. Is in a horrible franchise. Could pan out decent with us.

Aminu:

Not as strong of a rebounder. Really high playoffs 3P%. Great contract. Don’t see Portland having any motivation to move him unless we picked up some of their garbage.

Kelly Olynyk:

This would actually be a really smooth acquisition and great fit. Rumor was that we were high on Olynyk in 2013 before moving up for Burke. He played the 4 this year next to Whiteside. He would bring some nasty and could help complete our “Hayward-collateral big 3.” Imagine putting Crowder, Jerebko, and Olynyk all on the floor in Boston when Hayward plays.

He shot 37.9% from deep on 3.7 attempts this season. He’s a career 37.1% three point shooter. Great passer, averaging 4.2 assists per 36.

Check out his shot chart http://nbasavant.com/player.php?player_id=203482

Like 80% of his threes are above the break (eyeballing).

He signed with Miami last summer and has 2 more years plus a player option. It’s about $11.5M each. Pretty good value contract, so I don’t know what it would take to get him, but Miami is in cap hell and we don’t have much to offer besides an expiring Burks and some minor assets. Maybe we could trade all our second round picks for the next few years if we won’t use them.

Check out this video and imagine him playing next to Gobert, spacing things for Donovan, and throwing passes to everyone else.



Trey Lyles:

JK. He can’t play D or rebound or practice.

Spellman:

If Atlanta needed cap space to sign Favors, this would maybe be a possibility. They don’t have any garbage we could absorb, either.

Joel Bolomboy:

My last resort.

I know a lot of people like Bjelly. I haven’t seen enough of his D. Not a good rebounder.

Tl;dr Onlynyk FTW

I’d take a flier on Skal for a second rounder.

I think we need to be thinking of guys that are 4s but are closer to wing guys than bigs. The ideal is Paul George. Other great answers are Middleton, Tobias, Draymond.

There are a few guys I’d look at but I think I have a hot take here... you ready?

What if Royce is our playmaking stretch four? Take a walk with me...

Good size... 6’6” with a reported 6’10” wingspan... not perfect but good... rebounding is why they need the size... think PJ Tucker small but built and gets rebounds. Can hold position in the post and there are so few post up bigs in the league right now it isn’t an issue.

Rebounds? You bet your ***... 7.4 per 36 minutes... he also goes and gets them out of area.

Shooting? Okay it was a mixed bag... he had a stint where he couldn’t miss and one where he couldn’t throw it in the ocean. 35.6% is adequate but hopefully he improves and I think he very well could.

Defense? He’s great and competes like a mfer. Thick so guys won’t just bowl him over.

Here is where is is better than a traditional big... perimeter skills. Good passer and can get out on the break fast... imagine if he has a slow four chasing him. His ball handling needs work but for a four he’s great.

So sometimes we need to look within to find what we are searching for.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I would also chase Aaron Gordon. He could be the ideal fit.


If we strike out I would look at sign and trading Favors for Jabari. Win win for both teams.

Sign and Trade rules make that really difficult. Jabari’s salary only counts for 50% for trade matching going out but 100% coming in since he is getting a big raise.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

We don’t want guys that are slow on the perimeter... Bender is trash.

Ryan Anderson used to be the idea of a stretch 4... now you want a stretch 4, that can play make and guard the perimeter while rebounding. Ryan Anderson didn’t play in the playoffs but Ariza and Tucker were critical... that’s who we are after.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Sign and Trade rules make that really difficult. Jabari’s salary only counts for 50% for trade matching going out but 100% coming in since he is getting a big raise.

Oh, I didnt know that. That does make it tricky. I am guessing we would have to take on a salary dump from them as well. But I guess that makes it even harder with the cap difference.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Oh, I didnt know that. That does make it tricky. I am guessing we would have to take on a salary dump from them as well. But I guess that makes it even harder with the cap difference.

It’s doable because you could have a 4M delta on each side but the contract values would need to be agreed on each side and there would be a dance. If we were under the cap it would be easier. Also Favs can’t get more than a 20% raise or he would be subject to the same dumb rule. Would limit Jabari’s contract value though... in general I’m out on him but see why people would want him.

 

[infection]

I’d take a flier on Skal for a second rounder.

I think we need to be thinking of guys that are 4s but are closer to wing guys than bigs. The ideal is Paul George. Other great answers are Middleton, Tobias, Draymond.

There are a few guys I’d look at but I think I have a hot take here... you ready?

What if Royce is our playmaking stretch four? Take a walk with me...

Good size... 6’6” with a reported 6’10” wingspan... not perfect but good... rebounding is why they need the size... think PJ Tucker small but built and gets rebounds. Can hold position in the post and there are so few post up bigs in the league right now it isn’t an issue.

Rebounds? You bet your ***... 7.4 per 36 minutes... he also goes and gets them out of area.

Shooting? Okay it was a mixed bag... he had a stint where he couldn’t miss and one where he couldn’t throw it in the ocean. 35.6% is adequate but hopefully he improves and I think he very well could.

Defense? He’s great and competes like a mfer. Thick so guys won’t just bowl him over.

Here is where is is better than a traditional big... perimeter skills. Good passer and can get out on the break fast... imagine if he has a slow four chasing him. His ball handling needs work but for a four he’s great.

So sometimes we need to look within to find what we are searching for.

It’s not an idea I hate. His rebounding is respectable for the position. Has strength. Would we start him, though? I know it would be considered unorthodox, but it’d bring more versatility than feeling compelled to start Favors.

 

[whatthe]

Quinn Snyder said it was extremely hard to let Bolomboy go. I would vote to give Joel another chance.

 

[Coach Ellis]

I’d rather keep Derrick Favors on a contract similar to the one Joe Ingles got than 95% of the other “realistic” options that are out there.

Is it a perfect fit? No. But the Gobert and Favors tandem has been very success when healthy. And while people want to point out the imperfect fit in the playoffs against Houston. . . the Jazz probably don’t even get to the second round without Favors.

Unless they’re in a position to get a Paul George, I’d prefer to see Favors and Exum both back for a reasonable price.

 

[David Stern]

Sign and Trade rules make that really difficult. Jabari’s salary only counts for 50% for trade matching going out but 100% coming in since he is getting a big raise.

Doesn't that mean a double sign and trade for Favors would still work?

 

[The Midnight]

I would also chase Aaron Gordon. He could be the ideal fit.


If we strike out I would look at sign and trading Favors for Jabari. Win win for both teams.

Aaron's shooting is very hot and cold though and he's gonna be extremely expensive.

Still would love to have him though, just not sure at what price.

 

[infection]

Quinn Snyder said it was extremely hard to let Bolomboy go. I would vote to give Joel another chance.

Link?

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I think Cam Oliver is an interesting developmental prospect

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

It’s not an idea I hate. His rebounding is respectable for the position. Has strength. Would we start him, though? I know it would be considered unorthodox, but it’d bring more versatility than feeling compelled to start Favors.

I mean starting Draymond over David Lee was unorthodox (I know Lee got hurt so it was forced).

I’d start him if a better option didn’t come around and we don’t keep Favs. Between crowder and Royce and maybe Thabo and Jonas we might have enough variety there... might want to sign traditional 3 and a cheaper true four for certain situations.

 

[David Stern]

I'd love to bring Skal in. There's a solid track record of young players leaving Sacramento and becoming legit players.

 

[infection]

I mean starting Draymond over David Lee was unorthodox (I know Lee got hurt so it was forced).

I’d start him if a better option didn’t come around and we don’t keep Favs. Between crowder and Royce and maybe Thabo and Jonas we might have enough variety there... might want to sign traditional 3 and a cheaper true four for certain situations.

Perfect. Booker.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Perfect. Booker.

Was exactly who I was thinking.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Doesn't that mean a double sign and trade for Favors would still work?

Could, but you need two teams to agree on a trade and agents and players to agree on contracts and you have some hard constraints to work with. Didn’t say it was not possible... but it is really difficult

 

[whatthe]

Link?

The last few paragraphs from Dennis and Quinn...

https://www.deseretnews.com/article...ee-after-being-let-go-by-Jazz-last-month.html

The Jazz liked Bolomboy a lot and thought he had potential, but after acquiring veteran big men Epke Udoh and Jonas Jerebko in the summer, they didn’t see him getting much opportunity this season. General manager Dennis Lindsey called it a “hard day” when the Jazz let Bolomboy go.

“It was a difficult thing for us with Joel,” said coach Quin Snyder. “It was a fit issue, it really had nothing to do with Joel, it was more about our roster. So it was hard to see a guy that you’ve seen invest so much and especially our staff and our organization invest in him.”

Snyder said he’s happy Bolomboy seems to have found a home this season.

“It’s a positive thing,” he said. “You want players to benefit from their time here and we’ve seen it with other guys too. So you’re happy for them. You want to see a guy that’s been a part of your program have success, no matter where it is. It’s not surprising, and I’m happy to see that happening for Joel.”

 

[homeytennis]

But the Bucks let him go too.