No lunch for Huckabee, Is it the same?

[Deleted member 848]

He's right. Both parties are different sides of the same coin. It doesn't matter which "party" is in power, the same stuff goes on and the fighting and bickering continues.
There is very little difference in what goes on when there is a regime change despite the promises.
Both sides are messed up, and something big needs to change for there to be actual change.

Go ahead and respond and do your "historian" thing.
This is what I know and have seen. I won't read your completely skewed post if you make one.
Just know there is a big problem here, and your viewpoint is just as much part of the problem as the "GOP enemy" viewpoint.
It's all a mess.

get the **** out of here with this false-equivocating non-sense. One party wants to let gay people get married, and continue business-as-usual austerity neoliberal politics that only protects the interests of the upper classes.

The other party is throwing children in cages, and carrying-out Muslim bans-- spearheaded by a rapist in office and white supremacists surrounding him.

There is no equivalence. Your post is filled with just total vitriol and obvious lies. Hillary was trash, the Democrats are by-and-large total trash. I don't think I would have voted for her in the general election. However, there is no equivalence. None of your "both sides!" posturing will change that-- and if you helped vote in this administration, the blood and tears of those children is on your hands.

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Every public individual who has enabled any of these atrocities, from Sarah Sanders to Chuck Schumer, deserves to be publicly and non-violently shamed. End of story. I'd even consider booting Bernie out of a restaurant if he didn't come down hard enough against ICE. **** these bootlickers and their insanely insulating privilege.

 

[Archie Moses]

One party is for gay marriage...

Well, that party's two major mouth pieces were (Hilary and Obama) were both against gay marriage until it became convenient for them to support it over politics.

The lopsided blinders, close-mindedness, and obsession of people today becoming outraged because of the media is sad. It's the people with the far left/right mentality e.g. Thriller/Dutch that will start a civil war in this country. Fake outrage is the new drug.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

get the **** out of here with this false-equivocating non-sense. One party wants to let gay people get married, and continue business-as-usual austerity neoliberal politics that only protects the interests of the upper classes.

The other party is throwing children in cages, and carrying-out Muslim bans-- spearheaded by a rapist in office and white supremacists surrounding him.

There is no equivalence. Your post is filled with just total vitriol and obvious lies. Hillary was trash, the Democrats are by-and-large total trash. I don't think I would have voted for her in the general election. However, there is no equivalence. None of your "both sides!" posturing will change that-- and if you helped vote in this administration, the blood and tears of those children is on your hands.

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Every public individual who has enabled any of these atrocities, from Sarah Sanders to Chuck Schumer, deserves to be publicly and non-violently shamed. End of story. I'd even consider booting Bernie out of a restaurant if he didn't come down hard enough against ICE. **** these bootlickers and their insanely insulating privilege.

Ok, thanks for sharing. Clearly I disagree with you, and you disagree with me. It's not posturing, it's truth. I don't care if you agree with me. It's all about power, money, lies and both sides have been party to atrocities for years and it's all wrong. Go ahead and feel one party is more messed up than the other, I don't care, one of them is more in your face right now so it's understandable. Both parties platforms are like their facebook lives. They only show what they want you to see, or what they think will get them likes/attention/votes.

Posturing, bleh. You are posturing. You don't even live here, geez. Take your posturing and put it to use on some Canadian politics board. You don't even know me and pretend you can state I'm posturing. Why don't you take your false outrage and hit the road.

 

[Archie Moses]

And before you go there, don’t try talking about “the media.” The left has nothing close to Fox News. Nothing.

Yeah, it's not like the left has ********* like Time, CNN(I read it every day,) Salon, Vice News, Buzzfeed, Slate, the Young Turks...

Even sites like Huffington Post and Nytimes, which I read regularly, have some bias and narrative driven **** like Fox News.

The MSM have people like you by the balls are are banking on it. Keep denying it though.

 

[Harambe]

Well, that party's two major mouth pieces were (Hilary and Obama) were both against gay marriage until it became convenient for them to support it over politics.

Because it had to be politics, and couldn't have possibly been their opinions evolved with the slow passage of time?

It absolutely, positively, has to be politically motivated? Their attitude before they began supporting gay marriage couldn't have been politically motivated?

 

[Archie Moses]

Ok, thanks for sharing. Clearly I disagree with you, and you disagree with me. It's not posturing, it's truth. I don't care if you agree with me. It's all about power, money, lies and both sides have been party to atrocities for years and it's all wrong. Go ahead and feel one party is more messed up than the other, I don't care, one of them is more in your face right now so it's understandable. Both parties platforms are like their facebook lives. They only show what they want you to see, or what they think will get them likes/attention/votes.

Posturing, bleh. You are posturing. You don't even live here, geez. Take your posturing and put it to use on some Canadian politics board. You don't even know me and pretend you can state I'm posturing. Why don't you take your false outrage and hit the road.

If you have a few, you should listen to Joe Rogan's podcast with Dave Rubin. They do a great job dissecting the insanity of today's politics and people. I've only ever watched one video of Rubin before on YouTube and never listened to his show or read anything about him, but he seems pretty damn level headed and logical. From what he was saying with Rogan though, he gets attacked by people even if they don't know what they're attacking him for.

 

[Archie Moses]

Because it had to be politics, and couldn't have possibly been their opinions evolved with the slow passage of time?

It absolutely, positively, has to be politically motivated? Their attitude before they began supporting gay marriage couldn't have been politically motivated?

You're completely right. I have no idea why they changed, but since they are both religious, I'm guessing it was for political reasons - but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and say I have no idea why they changed. I don't. I used that as an example cause he called Trump a rapist. I'm assuming he thinks Trump is a rapist because he bragged about grabbing them by the ***** back in, what, 2005? So same concept could be applied there.
I like Obama. I don't care for Hillary. I understand people change in politics and I don't get outraged by politicians who do. I roll my eyes at people who wave other's changes (in whatever the case) in their face. People change. Society changes. We evolve.
It's crazy how much I've changed, in my personal life, over the last 10 years. I used to be super religious and believed in what my religion taught. I believed in religion because I found refuge in it and I had, let's just say, a rough childhood.
I remember one time, back in 2007 I took a video game back to Blockbuster because it had gay characters in it. I actually told the guy at the counter that's the reason I was taking it back because I didn't support it. I absolutely cringe thinking about that. I was ignorant, naive, and convicted, and cultured.
I'm glad of all of my life experiences and the opportunity for growth they've given me. I'm proud of how I've changed and who I am. I'm still changing and forever want to keep changing. I certainly don't have all the right answers. One of my favorite things about this board is how much posters have influenced me and changed my perspectives and ideologies.

 

[Zombie]

Before Trump, I could understand why people thought that both sides were the same. The Democratic party has its flaws certainly, but they don't include things like denial of climate change, banning undesirables from entering the country, restricting rights of LGBTQ people, stealing Supreme Court seats, suspension of due process for 'those' people, or providing safe harbor for white nationalism.

At this point the Democratic party is the only alternative we've got to the authoritarian nightmare the GOP has turned into. I believe the best way to truly enact positive change in this country is support truly liberal Democrats and work to change the party from within, to something that more closely represents my interests.

 

[Archie Moses]

Before Trump, I could understand why people thought that both sides were the same. The Democratic party has its flaws certainly, but they don't include things like denial of climate change, banning undesirables from entering the country, restricting rights of LGBTQ people, stealing Supreme Court seats, suspension of due process for 'those' people, or providing safe harbor for white nationalism.

At this point the Democratic party is the only alternative we've got to the authoritarian nightmare the GOP has turned into. I believe the best way to truly enact positive change in this country is support truly liberal Democrats and work to change the party from within, to something that more closely represents my interests.

How do you feel about the libertarian party? Any hope in that or is it too unrealistic at this point?

 

[One Brow]

He's right. Both parties are different sides of the same coin. It doesn't matter which "party" is in power, the same stuff goes on and the fighting and bickering continues.
There is very little difference in what goes on when there is a regime change despite the promises.
Both sides are messed up, and something big needs to change for there to be actual change.

This was true to a decent degree under Carter, Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II, and Obama. While the Democrats, as a more pro-government party, had a slightly larger interest in governing well (and more often took positions I prefer), power plays were always a part of their process of governing.

However, Trump has changed this game. It's no longer two sides of an undamaged coin, it's now Two-Face's coin. One side of ordinary power mongers, one side that does evil and stupid things that drastically hurt people. Right now, the sides are not equal, and one side is lacking in good intentions.

 

[Gameface]

How do you feel about the libertarian party? Any hope in that or is it too unrealistic at this point?

The libertarian party is not really about libertarian values, imho. They are about letting corporations hurt individuals without reprisal, reducing and eliminating regulations that protect individuals but help corporations, and opposing the taxation of assets. Mostly they sell themselves to people based on their opposition to taxes. That's not libertarianism to me.

 

[fairweather]

The Trump admin needs to realize that lying and spewing hate has consequences.

Uh, yeah. Those consequences being the White House, both houses of congress, the Supreme Court, ...sad, but true.