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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (democratic socialist) wins NY primary

Ron said logic a bunch of times.
It's a long rambling post. My best babe impression I guess. I said I would watch a couple videos on Shapiro, so y'all got my non stop thoughts live while watching it. Prolly should have edited, but that seems like a bigger waste of time.
 
But never mentioned any specifics to refer to. Apparently all of Shapiro's arguments are gish gallops (til gish gallop) and all of Cenk's were logical. USA - USA - USA.

Yeah Cenk the guy I called an asset hole, a douchebag, said lost the debate, and disliked him dismissing the other side as dumb. Go him!

There isn't much that Shapiro refers to as well. Just a lot of tactics to try and win the argument.

I am guessing I agree slightly more with Shapiro over Cenk on this subject. I tend to be pretty conservative when it comes to economics. Although I think there are problems with some things from both sides.

They both made correct statements at times but presented it in an either or fashion to try and price the other wrong. But some of them like what boosts the economy, middle class spending or rich people financing business isn't a mutual exclusive concept. They can can both be correct.


Shapiro from this reminds me of Hannity. He uses a lot of the same tactics. But Shapiro is much smarter and more quick witted.
 
Yeah Cenk the guy I called an asset hole, a douchebag, said lost the debate, and disliked him dismissing the other side as dumb. Go him!

There isn't much that Shapiro refers to as well. Just a lot of tactics to try and win the argument.

I am guessing I agree slightly more with Shapiro over Cenk on this subject. I tend to be pretty conservative when it comes to economics. Although I think there are problems with some things from both sides.

They both made correct statements at times but presented it in an either or fashion to try and price the other wrong. But some of them like what boosts the economy, middle class spending or rich people financing business isn't a mutual exclusive concept. They can can both be correct.


Shapiro from this reminds me of Hannity. He uses a lot of the same tactics. But Shapiro is much smarter and more quick witted.

Conservatives still care about economics? Thought they're all about 'Murica First now, economics be damned.
 
Shapiro from this reminds me of Hannity. He uses a lot of the same tactics. But Shapiro is much smarter and more quick witted.

Hannity is all about carrying water for a particular brand - and that is solely republicans being in power and democrats not being power. Ideals are secondary. Imagine if Obama was trying to push through with these tariffs?

I'd like to think Shapiro is different but I'm not sure.
 
Conservatives still care about economics? Thought they're all about 'Murica First now, economics be damned.

That is an issue, both parties don't have great economic strategies anymore from what I see. But I'm still more conservative in general in my preferences but I don't mean that in terms of liberal vs conservatives. I mean that just in general economics terms of conservative.
 
That is an issue, both parties don't have great economic strategies anymore from what I see. But I'm still more conservative in general in my preferences but I don't mean that in terms of liberal vs conservatives. I mean that just in general economics terms of conservative.

Ah, a neoliberal capitalist pig, like me.
 
Hannity is all about carrying water for a particular brand - and that is solely republicans being in power and democrats not being power. Ideals are secondary. Imagine if Obama was trying to push through with these tariffs?

I'd like to think Shapiro is different but I'm not sure.
They don't share all the same opinions. I'm talking about their tactics more than their beliefs.

I'm sure there is some liberal person who uses the same tactics but I'm not sure who. Maybe bill Maher but he isn't really a liberal I guess. I also haven't listened to him in awhile but he also used to use a lot of those same things in his debates.
 
They don't share all the same opinions. I'm talking about their tactics more than their beliefs.

I'm sure there is some liberal person who uses the same tactics but I'm not sure who. Maybe bill Maher but he isn't really a liberal I guess. I also haven't listened to him in awhile but he also used to use a lot of those same things in his debates.
I must have missed these debates by Mahr. Every time I've seen him he seems to resort to indignancy, as if that's an argument. His greatest strength is that he never debates in a venue where the crowd isn't behind him.
 
I must have missed these debates by Mahr. Every time I've seen him he seems to resort to indignancy, as if that's an argument. His greatest strength is that he never debates in a venue where the crowd isn't behind him.
I go out of my way to not watch him. He just seems like a dick evertime I hear him. He used to use tactics in arguing with his guests on his show. But I have no idea what he does on his show now.
 
I go out of my way to not watch him. He just seems like a dick evertime I hear him. He used to use tactics in arguing with his guests on his show. But I have no idea what he does on his show now.
Same here. He's a pompous *******, I've never been a fan.
 
The only piece there that I would say was excessively agenda driven was the Washington Examiner. They basically call her stupid and say that Chris Cumo should have asked if she was high during her interview. The other's gave a pretty straight forward version of the issue, with Fox News providing much more of Shapiro's response to being accused of catcalling. The first two don't seem all that slanted towards AOC, but don't provide much more than a sentence or two of Shapiro's response.
 
For what is supposedly such an earth-shaking win, I had never heard of her opponent before. And I generally pay pretty close attention to American politics.

This person is likely to be the Left's version of Dave Brat. Kind of an interesting curiosity, but someone without much gas.

Don't diss something nobody saw coming.

I think she'd win in my precinct...…

Mia Love has her intellectual sophistication, but we love Mia. The Utah Rino R caste.... LDS interests, Rio Tinto interests, military interests, chamber of commerce, etc. begged Paul Ryan to teach her how to be a good R.

Surely the DNC could get Pelosi to teach her how to be good, too.

Anybody who seriously believes she even knows what democratic socialism is should research it a bit.
 
That is an issue, both parties don't have great economic strategies anymore from what I see. But I'm still more conservative in general in my preferences but I don't mean that in terms of liberal vs conservatives. I mean that just in general economics terms of conservative.

I'd agree that neither party has a great economic strategy, and I think their stated strategy is different than what happens when they take power.
 
It's a long rambling post. My best babe impression I guess. I said I would watch a couple videos on Shapiro, so y'all got my non stop thoughts live while watching it. Prolly should have edited, but that seems like a bigger waste of time.

I understood what you meant, just found it too much at a distance or ambiguous, which was a fair response given the two rehashing the time old debate over supply vs. demand fostering healthy markets and increased living standards. Those two did it in the dumbest, most basic ways possible. Neither advanced anything about equilibrium, collaborative capitalism, or the various reasons markets are unable to clear in an imperfect world. There was nothing on sticky wages, prices or costs. Nothing about deficit spending or the Keynesian cross (Cenk made an incorrect statement on tax and spend and Shapiro should have pounced with some Mankiw). Nothing about policy responding differently to different market environments. Nothing about total tax burden or benefit.

As far as Shapiro's alleged fallacy, that was a fair response IMO to Cenk's own fallacy. Cenk attempted to link high growth with high taxation and inferred causation through correlation. This is a well abused tactic by pundits from both sides. Cenk said nothing of baby boom, post depression, or the ensuing stagflation that was caused by excessive government social program spending funded by debt and combined with policy fueled by a modern leftist's wet dreams.
 
I'd agree that neither party has a great economic strategy, and I think their stated strategy is different than what happens when they take power.

Policy campaigning and what they actually enact tend to be strangely opposite. I.E. where the hell were all the balanced budget Republicans during passage of the TCJA atrocity? They all but vanished into the woods at a time when they could have actually achieved debt reduction or neutralization while growth decreases the ratio without hurting the economy.
 
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