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John Stockton’s dirty little secret

The real "true dirty secret" is that John Stockton was actually left handed. He played exclusively with his right hand because it was the only way the game challenged him. Had he played with his left, he would have completely broken the timeline, the Jazz would have won 10 consecutive championships, and the NBA would have folded.

That's the truth, if you can handle it.
 
Whatever.

90% of this guy's videos are hater videos...he hates on most of the NBA greats. Either they were jerks or not as good as everyone remembers.

So John Stockton was too right hand dominant. Mariano Rivera had one pitch - and he's the greatest relief pitcher of all time.
 
Zombie said:
Chris Paul is also an all time great PG so yeah he could probably do what Stockton did, or come close, given the same longevity. I do think that longevity is a 'skill' so to speak of its own. The best ability is availability.
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It’s not just longevity though. Look at Stockton’s peak years and cp3 peak years. Who averaged more assists in those years? Who averaged more steals? Who shot better percentage from the field?
Stockton every time. Take longevity out of the equation. Stockton is the better passer, shooter, and defender still.

Longevity is simply icing on the cake. And durability/toughness/playing through injuries and staying good for a long time should absolutely have some sway in a discussion of who was the better player. (I realize that you said this in your post but I just wanted to hammer it home)
 
So are the Warriors not that great because they play with an all-star starting lineup? Stockton and Malone were both great, both in large part because they had each other and because they worked really hard at making their self better and making the other guy better. To take anything away from either guy because the other guy was also great is straight up wet trash.
 
The only thing Bill Russell has on Greg Oden is longevity and playing with John Havlicek.

Dat longevity doe.
 
fishonjazz said:
It’s not just longevity though. Look at Stockton’s peak years and cp3 peak years. Who averaged more assists in those years? Who averaged more steals? Who shot better percentage from the field?
Stockton every time. Take longevity out of the equation. Stockton is the better passer, shooter, and defender still.

Longevity is simply icing on the cake. And durability/toughness/playing through injuries and staying good for a long time should absolutely have some sway in a discussion of who was the better player. (I realize that you said this in your post but I just wanted to hammer it home)
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This. CP3 is solidly in the top of the 2nd tier of NBA point guards. Tier one includes players like Stockton, Magic, Thomas, etc. CP3 is just not on that level.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Malone was clearly better than Stockton.

I think if Paul played with Malone for 19 years, he'd probably be the leader in assist. You could probably say that for a few different PGs. Stockton is a top PG for his longevity, not for actually being the best PG at any given time. You can say Stockton had a top 5 career as a PG, but I dont know if you can say he is a top 5 PG, if that makes sense.
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I personally think Malone benefited more then Stock from the relationship but that is obviously pure speculation and they clearly both benefited. However, I think that is always true. Name that greats that did not have another great with them that had a significant impact on what they accomplished. There are a few but it is a very short list. While you are at it, name the 5 all time PGs you put in front of Stock. Curious what your list is since you brought that up as the number. I put Magic and Oscar in front of him but not sure who else. I think his assist record will never be broken and his steals record will last quite some time.
 
gomretat said:
I personally think Malone benefited more then Stock from the relationship but that is obviously pure speculation and they clearly both benefited. However, I think that is always true. Name that greats that did not have another great with them that had a significant impact on what they accomplished. There are a few but it is a very short list. While you are at it, name the 5 all time PGs you put in front of Stock. Curious what your list is since you brought that up as the number. I put Magic and Oscar in front of him but not sure who else. I think his assist record will never be broken and his steals record will last quite some time.
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Oscar and Magic were great, but they were physically gifted athletes with a huge built in mismatch every time they stepped on the court, but in terms of pg play Stockton did it with as close to perfection as you can do it. Maybe Magic and Oscar were better all around players thanks to their size and athleticism, but pound for pound Stockton was the best ever to play in the nba period!!
 
fishonjazz said:
It’s not just longevity though. Look at Stockton’s peak years and cp3 peak years. Who averaged more assists in those years? Who averaged more steals? Who shot better percentage from the field?
Stockton every time. Take longevity out of the equation. Stockton is the better passer, shooter, and defender still.

Longevity is simply icing on the cake. And durability/toughness/playing through injuries and staying good for a long time should absolutely have some sway in a discussion of who was the better player. (I realize that you said this in your post but I just wanted to hammer it home)
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Here is the peak season for both players.

https://www.basketball-reference.co...kton&y2=1989&player_id2=stockjo01&idx=players

Cp3 at his peak was better than Stockton at his peak according to these stats.
 
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fishonjazz said:
Yep Stockton > cp3 regardless of longevity. And I was more looking at peak years (plural). Stockton was/is simply better imo.
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I mean according to these CP3 was better at almost everything.

But I do agree Stockton was better.
 
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