Trump's golf bill

[Jazzta]

**** evangelicals. They’ve lost the moral standing to lecture us about anything. Out vote the hell out of those racist hypocrites.

If American Christianity supports trump, then it’s time for Christianity to die out. And yes, that stands for Mormons too. If Mormonism can no longer stand up to the immorality of the modern King Noah, then it needs to die out, just as it did with the Nephites.

If his immorality didn’t scare Mormons, then his authoritarianism should. Today, trump is attacking Muslims, blacks, and Hispanics. If we don’t stand up for them now who’ll stand up for Mormons when Trump comes after them?

I find this post utterly offensive, as a christian. Please don’t put all of christianity in the same box, or is there no room for christians who don’t belong in any church.

You talk about bigotry, how about you take a look in the mirror..

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

The media did a pretty **** job in 2016, but the idea that they were too forgiving to Hillary Clinton is just absurd. Take the coverage of her emails for example. From Sept thru November The NYT had the same number of front page stories about her emails in six days as they did about her policies over sixty-nine days. Meanwhile the Trump administration is rife with private email use, and Trump himself conducts business on an unsecured phone, and it maaaybe cracks the top 100 scandals of his presidency.

Hillary deleted subpoenaed emails. The media and FBI don't seem to care. Mind blown.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

It's bad that centrists have given up their voice. Most centrists avoid confrontation.



One of my friends since college, 50 yrs old white male, fits your description of the conspiracy loving Trump supporter. And he's a pot smoking mormon. And he loves the Jazz.

You consider a person who supports Trump to be a personal friend? How can you live with yourself?

 

[Zombie]

Hillary deleted subpoenaed emails. The media and FBI don't seem to care. Mind blown.

Yeah the media didn't care so much that it accounted for the majority of her pre-election coverage. And the FBI cared so little that they carried out a year long investigation into it, and then contrary to dept standards, announced they were reopening the investigation days before the election.

You know, for a non Trump supporter you sure do a great job of echoing his talking points.

 

[Zombie]

Limiting federal jobs may be the only thing Trump has done that I fully agree with. I've mentioned this in other threads, and will state again that I worked for the Federal Government in DC, and I was shocked at the misappropriation of funds, and the number of federal employees that literally did nothing. I was working right after Obama became President. Due to all the hiring freezes, our department anticipated future freezes and pre-hired above our need. My division had four people that had literally nothing to do. Not to mention getting new carpet, etc., every year, because your next fiscal years budget will not exceed your current years spending (e.g. if your budget for FY 18 is $3MM, but you spend only $2.8MM, your next years budget will be $2.8MM-creating an incentive to overspend). I'd also like to see the slow tapering of the size of our military. We should become more efficient as a country. Too much waste. I agree that the golf costs are ridiculous, but any days Trump is out of the Oval Office/not working is good for the county.

I have no issues with tax reform. Our government collects plenty in tax. It is the overspending/inefficiencies and misuse of funds that I have an issue with. This is a purely apolitical statement, it doesn't matter who is in office. Two sides of the same coin. I truly hate liberal and conservative politicians equally. Both love trashing and vilifying each other (democrats are socialists, the Muslim Kenyan is going to destroy the country, and; republicans are racists backwater hillbillies, Trump is Hitler, etc.). I see this same **** on this forum everyday. And when forum members post **** like this they are part of the problem. Easy to point the finger and lay blame on each other rather than taking responsibility for our mistakes and making improvements. Easy to get comfortable and pander to your lobbyists that will keep you in office instead of serving your constituents. Too easy to come up with your pet projects that may have some good benefit on a micro level without looking at the good of the country as a whole. Too easy to pass the buck to the next generation continue growing the national debt that will soon have more interest than the taxes the government collects in a year. Our ancestors put us in this position, and we continue to pass the buck and blame everyone else for our issues. And unfortunately, the media does too good of a job highlighting and perpetuating (and sometimes even creating) these stereotypes as it helps with the ratings.

$1.5 trillion dollar handout to the wealthy = totally cool, but a $25 billion dollar raise for middle class workers = unacceptable.

Good lord we are so ****ed.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Yeah the media didn't care so much that it accounted for the majority of her pre-election coverage. And the FBI cared so little that they carried out a year long investigation into it, and then contrary to dept standards, announced they were reopening the investigation days before the election.

You know, for a non Trump supporter you sure do a great job of echoing his talking points.

Both the media and the FBI seemed determined to minimize this story, and especially to forgive Hillary. The stories you refer to were not about Hillary's wrongdoing. They were mostly about how her opponents wouldn't let this matter drop even though, according to the media, there was no substance to the accusations. The investigation was reopened after copies of many of the emails the FBI had dismissed as deleted were discovered on Anthony Weiner's laptop. They kept it quiet for a while, then Comey started worrying that if word got out that they had the emails before the election but hid that info from the public there might be hell to pay. He admits to making a measured decision based upon the fact that he though Hillary couldn't lose. He was trying to cover his own butt.

 

[str8line]

You consider a person who supports Trump to be a personal friend? How can you live with yourself?

Barely.

I have grave reservations about racists, misogynists, classists, etc.. And Trump supporters can't have it both ways. Sucks because I have to reassess my relationships. I try to talk sense to some of them but it's tough. I see some change though. There's a lot of messed up people out there.

I think of Germany and how many people got sucked in.

 

[fishonjazz]

Both the media and the FBI seemed determined to minimize this story, and especially to forgive Hillary. The stories you refer to were not about Hillary's wrongdoing. They were mostly about how her opponents wouldn't let this matter drop even though, according to the media, there was no substance to the accusations. The investigation was reopened after copies of many of the emails the FBI had dismissed as deleted were discovered on Anthony Weiner's laptop. They kept it quiet for a while, then Comey started worrying that if word got out that they had the emails before the election but hid that info from the public there might be hell to pay. He admits to making a measured decision based upon the fact that he though Hillary couldn't lose. He was trying to cover his own butt.

You remember things differently than i do. I remember everyone thinking the emails were a big deal. Everyone. Hell, its the whole reason that someone as horrible as trump is in the white house right now imo.

 

[Zombie]

Both the media and the FBI seemed determined to minimize this story, and especially to forgive Hillary. The stories you refer to were not about Hillary's wrongdoing. They were mostly about how her opponents wouldn't let this matter drop even though, according to the media, there was no substance to the accusations. The investigation was reopened after copies of many of the emails the FBI had dismissed as deleted were discovered on Anthony Weiner's laptop. They kept it quiet for a while, then Comey started worrying that if word got out that they had the emails before the election but hid that info from the public there might be hell to pay. He admits to making a measured decision based upon the fact that he though Hillary couldn't lose. He was trying to cover his own butt.

If 'the media' wanted to minimize the email scandal why would it dominate their coverage of her? I guarantee you the NYT was not putting stories on their front page about how her opponents were talking about her emails. That's straight up ****ing nonsense.

It's longstanding tradition not to make investigations into candidates public during the election. Which is why we didn't learn about the investigation into Trumps campaign until afterwards. I don't give a **** what the reason was, but they broke that tradition with Hillary, and it probably cost her the election. So kindly spare me any suggestion that they were trying to help her out. It just doesn't jibe with the facts.

 

[Deleted member 365]

$1.5 trillion dollar handout to the wealthy = totally cool, but a $25 billion dollar raise for middle class workers = unacceptable.

Good lord we are so ****ed.

Yep.

And apparently republicans are down with subsidizing failing businesses and picking winners and losers. Remember how repubs had a panic attack over sylandra? Now they’re fine with the government picking winners and losers of the trade wars and bailouts. What happened to the free market?

Now trump wants to take control of social media and google searches?

Remember when obama was accused of being big gubbamint for forcing everyone into buying health insurance? Nanny state, remember? Nothing more nanny state than state control of the media and Internet.

 

[Zombie]

Yep.

And apparently republicans are down with subsidizing failing businesses and picking winners and losers. Remember how repubs had a panic attack over sylandra? Now they’re fine with the government picking winners and losers of the trade wars and bailouts. What happened to the free market?

Now trump wants to take control of social media and google searches?

Remember when obama was accused of being big gubbamint for forcing everyone into buying health insurance? Nanny state, remember? Nothing more nanny state than state control of the media and Internet.

It's almost like their crowing about the 'free market' is just a pretext to enact policies that disproportionately help them and their wealthy donors at the expense of the middle and working class.

 

[Deleted member 365]

It's almost like their crowing about the 'free market' is just a pretext to enact policies that disproportionately help them and their wealthy donors at the expense of the middle and working class.

Absolutely. When they accuse the left of “socialism” it’s yet just another dog whistle for killing programs that help minorities. The poor white working class is just collateral damage in their efforts to enrich the elite whites and continue to enslave minorities.

That’s why we’re seeing so many attacks on affirmative action, pell grants, the social safety net, etc.

Hell, even declining to increase wages for federal employees is tied with racism. Far higher percentage of african Americans work in the federal government than in the private sector. The private sector has historically discriminated against them while the government had not been allowed to. But Trump’s “concern” over the deficit is superficial. He didn’t bat an eye giving $1.5 trillion in handouts to himself and his rich white buddies. But $25 billion suddenly breaks the bank?

So he’s really hitting two birds with one stone. He’s hurting minorities while feeding his base with their mindless anti-government rhetoric. They cheer him on while forgetting that him refusing to raise the salaries of federal employees will undoubtedly hurt directly and indirectly working class whites. But they’ve been brainwashed so thoroughly that they don’t understand.