The Caravan

[The Thriller]

When someone doesn't have a good argument, they side step the topic with other things. As well they turn to insults and call someone stupid, dumb, or racist. I don't support tariffs as I think that they are reckless and do lead to conflict. I don't always support Trump. But I do support America and putting Americans first. I consider myself a nationalist and under the true definition, there is not a thing wrong with that. As well skyrocketing premiums has nothing to do with Trump. This is what happens with socialize insurance. This is what happens when the government gets involved in something it shouldn't have via Obama and democrats.

Haha I don’t belittle you because of your arguments. Believe me, I have no problem destroying your arguments. I haven’t been challenged by you yet.

I call you stupid because anyone who thinks nationalism and isolationism is a good thing warrants that description.

Anyone you thinks that Trump's agenda is actually putting Americans first warrants the description of “stupid, ignoramus, and deplorable.”

 

[Brsn]

What? The welfare state includes for profit health insurance and mandates wages? I’ve never heard of it defined like that before.

And people are coming to the United States as refugees from war torn and politically unstable countries in central and South America for mandates wages and for profit health care to work jobs Americans don’t work? And that’s a bad thing?

I hear this all the time. It's simply not true. I've worked these "jobs people don't want to work". American's don't want to work them because the pay and benefits are always there. Why? Because said company doesn't need to pay at a decent wage or provide benefits. I'm 100% for providing more work visas or making it easier to immigrate here legally. But you simply cannot stand by as people commit a crime and just waltz in here.

 

[The Thriller]

That's the thing, this isn't about what's good for America, it's about what's good for Trump's ego. He lives for battle. He baits people, battles them, then compliments them after he has chewed them up and spit them out. He'll throw anyone under the bus including the USA if it means strengthening his ego. The power gained from fabricated battles is just a way to throw his ego around in even more haphazard ways, constantly testing our populace to see if anyone will challenge him. He's absolutely drunk on ego.

The funny thing is, trump whines about elitists and foreign agents controlling us. But that’s exactly what he’s doing. Rich Elitists have never had it so good. The richest in this country are the ones benefitting the most from his presidency.

And outside foreign agents? Look at how Putin, Kim, and Saudi Arabia have bent him over.

Those who can’t see this are stupid. Trump attacks that which he promotes. Like all populists, he’s a complete hypocrite.

 

[The Thriller]

I hear this all the time. It's simply not true. I've worked these "jobs people don't want to work". American's don't want to work them because the pay and benefits are always there. Why? Because said company doesn't need to pay at a decent wage or provide benefits. I'm 100% for providing more work visas or making it easier to immigrate here legally. But you simply cannot stand by as people commit a crime and just waltz in here.

And poor people in war torn and politically unstable countries who are unable to apply for work visas are to do what?

 

[Brsn]

And poor people in war torn and politically unstable countries who are unable to apply for work visas are to do what?

Find a channel to immigrate legally somewhere else if they can. If not, try and fix their own country.

 

[The Thriller]

Find a channel to immigrate legally somewhere else if they can. If not, try and fix their own country.

And if they can’t immigrate legally and they can’t fix their country? Then what?

Are you a Native American Indian? Just curious

 

[The Thriller]

From one of my favorite books over the past year:


Encouraging us to be our worst. “Sorry kid, the country is full. Go fix your own country. And oh, btw, we’re cutting foreign aid to your country to punish you from trying to come here as a refugee.”

Your posts have proven Dr Snyder’s description of nationalism. Nationalism never ends up being good for s country.

 

[RJF]

So **** vetting and let them all in? Sounds reasonable...

 

[The Thriller]

So **** vetting and let them all in? Sounds reasonable...

Refugees go through a vetting process... facts matter

What’s the alternative? Building a wall and shooting people who try and cross into the country? Ban countries who don’t do business with the trumps?

Again, history seems to be a lost art, especially for Trumpers. You realize the Berlin Wall imprisoned those that it was trying to protect, right? Is that what Americans want? To build walls and come up with such draconian laws that their own freedom and economc opportunity becomes hindered?

 

[str8line]

The funny thing is, trump whines about elitists and foreign agents controlling us. But that’s exactly what he’s doing. Rich Elitists have never had it so good. The richest in this country are the ones benefitting the most from his presidency.

And outside foreign agents? Look at how Putin, Kim, and Saudi Arabia have bent him over.

Those who can’t see this are stupid. Trump attacks that which he promotes. Like all populists, he’s a complete hypocrite.

The thing is, they're not really bending him over. It's all a wink-wink, nod-nod while they increase their riches and their power. They don't care about the people, they care about their people. Which in Trumps case is just himself or those who pledge undying support for him. He couldn't give a rats *** about anyone. Gold star families? **** em. And on and on...

 

[Brsn]

And if they can’t immigrate legally and they can’t fix their country? Then what?

Are you a Native American Indian? Just curious

Life isn't always fair. We have our own problems to worry about and fix in America. I wonder if I just came to your house and started living there. If you would mind? I'm sure that you'd call the cops or shoot me. Even if I just randomly set up shop in your backyard. Borders really aren't much different than that.

Btw I'm going to ignore your typical left extremist past shame bait.

 

[The Thriller]

Life isn't always fair. We have our own problems to worry about and fix in America. I wonder if I just came to your house and started living there. If you would mind? I'm sure that you'd call the cops or shoot me. Even if I just randomly set up shop in your backyard. Borders really aren't much different than that.

Btw I'm going to ignore your typical left extremist past shame bait.

Who’s dodging questions again?

 

[Brsn]

Who’s dodging questions again?

It's been done a million and half times. Wasn't there. Wasn't involved. Sorry things worked out for me and not others. Life isn't always fair. Get over it.

 

[str8line]

It's been done a million and half times. Wasn't there. Wasn't involved. Sorry things worked out for me and not others. Life isn't always fair. Get over it.

True, but you can bet your *** I'd do whatever it takes to make a better life for myself if I lived in Honduras even if it meant entering another country illegally. Not that I think we should have an open border policy.

But this could play right into Trumps and the Republicans hands as he stokes the fears of an incoming "invasion" and acts like a tough guy, espousing violence. Just the thought of his blowhard tactics makes me about throw up in my mouth.

 

[Zombie]

Life isn't always fair. We have our own problems to worry about and fix in America. I wonder if I just came to your house and started living there. If you would mind? I'm sure that you'd call the cops or shoot me. Even if I just randomly set up shop in your backyard. Borders really aren't much different than that.

Btw I'm going to ignore your typical left extremist past shame bait.

Borders are very much different than that. Immigrants are a net benefit for our country in terms of economics as well as contributing to a more vibrant society. There's no reason at all we can't treat immigrants and refugees humanely while 'fixing our country.' I think imbuing our government with a sense of decency for human life and consideration for the suffering of the downtrodden would go a long way in that endeavor actually.

 

[Gameface]

I think that this is good. America first, you don't like it. I don't care. Nationalism is often misconstrued and pushed with the stupid rhetoric of "so and so was a nationalist." Our constitution will give us the tools to keep any President in check. Be it Trump or someone else. Citizens of this country should want to preserve this country and make it the best in the world. Globalism is a cancer and has done nothing good for us. Also with 14,000 people trying to ILLEGALLY enter our country, many carrying their flags only antagonizing this situation. Damn right should the rule of law be enforced. Is this the ideal situation? No, but it's not an ideal world. They wouldn't be come here if it wasn't for the welfare state being constantly pushed and propped up by tax payers.

So that is the America you want. Got it. I'd give my life to prevent that America from happening.

Globalism has given us unprecedented prosperity and greatly enhanced American power and influence.

 

[Gameface]

When someone doesn't have a good argument, they side step the topic with other things. As well they turn to insults and call someone stupid, dumb, or racist. I don't support tariffs as I think that they are reckless and do lead to conflict. I don't always support Trump. But I do support America and putting Americans first. I consider myself a nationalist and under the true definition, there is not a thing wrong with that. As well skyrocketing premiums has nothing to do with Trump. This is what happens with socialize insurance. This is what happens when the government gets involved in something it shouldn't have via Obama and democrats.

So before Obamacare, describe what premiums, insurance coast and health care costs were doing...

 

[The Thriller]

Lol.

Talk about a major backfire. This dude comes on here desperate to exonerate the term, “nationalism.” He explains that it shouldn’t mean intolerance, xenophobia, authoritarianism, and all the other negative characteristics typically associated with it.

Annnnnnndddd...

Through much his posts he proves that nationalism most definitely means all those negative characteristics associated with that term.

Pretty hilarious. Trumpers have become a parody. Everyone else is laughing at them and they don’t understand why.

Thanks for the laugh.

 

[The Thriller]

So before Obamacare, describe what premiums, insurance coast and health care costs were doing...

I didn’t see his post of which you were responding to until now. He’s wrong that socialized medicine is the driving force behind skyrocketing premiums. socialized medicine is actually much cheaper than the for profit healthcare system we have. Like literally, every socialized health care system is cheaper than ours. Cuz, facts.

But Trumpers don’t rely on facts.

They just make **** up. Like this:

 

[One Brow]

Damn right should the rule of law be enforced.

The people in the caravan are seeking asylum, following the rule of law. Using the military to stop them is violating the rule of law.

They wouldn't be come here if it wasn't for the welfare state being constantly pushed and propped up by tax payers.

They actually won't get welfare from our country. They'll get safety, and an opportunity to do jobs that American citizens shun.

Still, why let a few facts interfere with your ignorance? Rant away.