So before Obamacare, describe what premiums, insurance coast and health care costs were doing...
The Caravan
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Lol.
Talk about a major backfire. This dude comes on here desperate to exonerate the term, “nationalism.” He explains that it shouldn’t mean intolerance, xenophobia, authoritarianism, and all the other negative characteristics typically associated with it.
Annnnnnndddd...
Through much his posts he proves that nationalism most definitely means all those negative characteristics associated with that term.
Pretty hilarious. Trumpers have become a parody. Everyone else is laughing at them and they don’t understand why.
Thanks for the laugh.
Talk about a major backfire. This dude comes on here desperate to exonerate the term, “nationalism.” He explains that it shouldn’t mean intolerance, xenophobia, authoritarianism, and all the other negative characteristics typically associated with it.
Annnnnnndddd...
Through much his posts he proves that nationalism most definitely means all those negative characteristics associated with that term.
Pretty hilarious. Trumpers have become a parody. Everyone else is laughing at them and they don’t understand why.
Thanks for the laugh.
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I didn’t see his post of which you were responding to until now. He’s wrong that socialized medicine is the driving force behind skyrocketing premiums. socialized medicine is actually much cheaper than the for profit healthcare system we have. Like literally, every socialized health care system is cheaper than ours. Cuz, facts.
But Trumpers don’t rely on facts.
They just make **** up. Like this:
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The people in the caravan are seeking asylum, following the rule of law. Using the military to stop them is violating the rule of law.
They actually won't get welfare from our country. They'll get safety, and an opportunity to do jobs that American citizens shun.
Still, why let a few facts interfere with your ignorance? Rant away.
That's from Orwell's Notes on Nationalism, he was using nationalism in a broader context to include the Soviet Union and their international Comintern agents. It's actually one of the first articles that begins to articulate the shift from modernism to post-modernism. He identifies the importance of truth in forming a meta narrative and how various political agents left and right were entirely hostile to the concept of truth seeing it as a barrier to their propaganda machines. Orwell always relevant.
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What a short memory you have. Health insurance costs have been skyrocketing since the 1980s, at least, and for reasons that had nothing with government regulations. I have spent over a decade working in the healthcare and insurance industries, and if you want to really know why the costs are going up, we can have a discussion on that. The ACA reduced the percentage of increase overall, but could not stop it.
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But but but nationalism isn’t bad! It isn’t xenophobia or authoritarianism. It’s patriotism and the globalists are gonna take over the world!
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I agree. If their willing to actually go through the process of seeking asylum and not just forcing themselves across the border, like they've already been seen doing. Using the military isn't against the rule of law.
Article 4 section 4 of the United States Constitution says: The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.
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Because you have some ditto heads backing you up? Do me a favor and read the definition of Nationalism again.
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It's not just Obamacare. Government was getting involved in the medical industry before this. Obamacare was just the nail in the coffin.
Brsn
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Like I said to Bullet, It's not just Obamacare. Government was getting involved in the medical industry before this. I'm sure there other reasons, but I bet that the majority all tied to government regulation. Willing to hear what you believe though.
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The ACA clearly raised premiums to a level higher than without the ACA:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapo...are-act-that-increased-premiums/#6690888411d2
The ACA was a misguided attempt to make insurance better, but it actually made it worse. Classic example of a party doing something just to do something, even though they knew there were major flaws. Rather than attack the problem (cost being charged for care), we try to get more people covered to the providers can make ever more money. (same thing happened with college education--increase the amount of gov't guaranteed loans, and cost of tuition when through the ****ing roof). Prior to the ACA, hospitals had massive write offs (many hospitals are required to see many critical/emergency patients). The ACA has reduced those writedowns extensively, but the fees charged by these facilities have gone up, not down. The idea was to get healthy people to sign up, but the penalty/incentives didn't work, and were largely neutered by the court. As it stands now, if you get cancer without insurance, you can apply and still get it. It is akin to buying homeowners insurance after your house burns down. Why pay all the premiums when they can't exclude you later on? It could bite you if you can't deal with the short waiting period if you have a sudden serious accident, but the majority of young and healthy Americans would get free/written off care for most of those treatments anyway, as the pool is comprised of young people without a lot of capital...
The issue is we are the only 1st world country that doesn't have some sort of socialized medicine with cost caps. I don't have the data in front of me, but I posted a link to the research before on here--IIRC, something like 70% of big pharma profits are derived from U.S. patients, but we only make up something like 15-20% of their customer base. Most countries have caps on the fees pharmaceutical and medical equipment providers can charge, and some limit the amounts that a Dr. or surgeon and/or facility can charge.
In regards to durable medical equipment and pharma, we subsidize the rest of the world. I want us to go single payer with caps. The rest of the industrialized world will have a huge increase in the cost of medications and equipment, or the medical companies won't provide drugs and services to those countries. I actually think that by removing all the middle men in the industry field, that healthcare would be one area where the Government may be slightly more efficient than keeping things private. However, I do think the quality of care would go down as the demand from free health care goes up. I would like to see a program where everyone has free base care, and you can pay for priority service (similar to Canada's system).
I believe in having a capitalist society with social programs that provide a reasonable safety net. However, this does not work in a globalized society where we are the only ones paying ridiculous pricing.
Edit: Another problem with the ACA is it required insurance to provide good coverage that was affordable, but only to the employee of the employer (and most small employers are exempt). So most companies have low cost insurance for employees, and for a family it is astronomical. I pay $25 a month for me. If I add my family (two other people) it goes up to $1100 a month!
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