The Return -- Celtics @ Jazz 11/9/2019 7:30 pm MST ESPN

[NAOS]

No, it was a legitimate thing.

DL did seem legitimately bent about the timing of Haywood’s process. And DL rarely seems bent at all.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Hayward sees himself as a perennial All Star. He wants the stardom. Moving east was supposed to help him make more All Star appearances, get easier match-ups in the early rounds of the playoffs, and get more national TV coverage. With his injury last year, unfortunately, he's not that guy right now.

The other thing is that Utah's whole offensive system was built around featuring Hayward, and running the pick-and-roll between Hayward and Gobert. In Brad Stevens' system of interchangeable players, Hayward wasn't going to be featured the same way. Also, without Rudy giving him screen assists, his numbers and efficiency were bound to drop. In other words, I'm not sure he was going to be the same All Star and max contract-caliber player in Boston, even before his injury. The Jazz would be better if we had him for sure, but I'm not sure we'd be legit contenders with Hayward on a max deal. Maybe we would. I guess we'll never know.

 

[stitches]

And who knows, the Lowry thing might have involved trading Mitchell in a S&T thing (that's me speculating). When I was told about it, all that was said that their was mutual interest if Hayward stayed. Since there wasnt the cap-space, I would assume some kind of deal.

Yeah, if it was some sort of SnT it works, but otherwise we would have needed to renounce Haywood and find some team to dump Burks to in order to come close to what TOR offered.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

And who knows, the Lowry thing might have involved trading Mitchell in a S&T thing (that's me speculating). When I was told about it, all that was said that their was mutual interest if Hayward stayed. Since there wasnt the cap-space, I would assume some kind of deal.

The way I heard it was he would come potentially if Hayward was gone... but I may have heard it from the SLC dunk guys... which is not the most reliable source for accuracy on those matters.

I doubt DM would have been involved. Could have been a sign and trade. We may have had a move T'd up to clear some space or could have done the Millsap/Gallo dance and sent a first with some salary fodder.

IDK it seems like anything from a sure fire deal... but today I will be salty about it and forget all about it tomorrow.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Hayward sees himself as a perennial All Star. He wants the stardom. Moving east was supposed to help him make more All Star appearances, get easier match-ups in the early rounds of the playoffs, and get more national TV coverage. With his injury last year, unfortunately, he's not that guy right now.

The other thing is that Utah's whole offensive system was built around featuring Hayward, and running the pick-and-roll between Hayward and Gobert. In Brad Stevens' system of interchangeable players, Hayward wasn't going to be featured the same way. Also, without Rudy giving him screen assists, his numbers and efficiency were bound to drop. In other words, I'm not sure he was going to be the same All Star and max contract-caliber player in Boston, even before his injury. The Jazz would be better if we had him for sure, but I'm not sure we'd be legit contenders with Hayward on a max deal. Maybe we would. I guess we'll never know.

The basketball fit was never ideal imo... specifically when you figure IT was going to use a lot of the possessions. Gordon is a really good player though and has a game that fits in well. He's clearly not right, but I think Stevens might be just a tad overrated. His offense is ugly... a lot of my turn, your turn stuff. Even without Hayward right now it should be more effective... their shot profile is goofy. When we miss we do it while trying to shoot the right shots... for the most part.

Hayward literally sits in the corner until it's his turn.

 

[Jazz4ever]

The basketball fit was never ideal imo... specifically when you figure IT was going to use a lot of the possessions. Gordon is a really good player though and has a game that fits in well. He's clearly not right, but I think Stevens might be just a tad overrated. His offense is ugly... a lot of my turn, your turn stuff. Even without Hayward right now it should be more effective... their shot profile is goofy. When we miss we do it while trying to shoot the right shots... for the most part.

Hayward literally sits in the corner until it's his turn.

And I wonder how happy he is with that. One of the reasons he went to the east was for an easier path to all stardom.

 

[Dali]

Whilst it’s difficult to ignore all the GH stuff, I just want to beat the Celtics, because they’re the ****ing Celtics.

I want Rubio to give Rozier nightmares for the next week, Don to remind Tatum why he is the best in their draft class and Rudy to just straight eat souls out there.

My boy Dante to have good game in his minutes would be icing on the cake.

 

[MilesDeep]

Please Jazz fans, boo Robyn's husband mercilessly. I can't make it to the game despite really wanting to so I could savagely unleash pent up frustration and anger, and we need everybody to really step up and let the vitriol fly. The more embarrassing, the better. He crapped on the entire state, his team, his friends. Karma instantly reached out and grabbed him, not coincidentally by a player who the Jazz now have, which I expected. Now we get a chance to show him how you reap what you sow. After tonight, I will let it go.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

The basketball fit was never ideal imo... specifically when you figure IT was going to use a lot of the possessions. Gordon is a really good player though and has a game that fits in well. He's clearly not right, but I think Stevens might be just a tad overrated. His offense is ugly... a lot of my turn, your turn stuff. Even without Hayward right now it should be more effective... their shot profile is goofy. When we miss we do it while trying to shoot the right shots... for the most part.

Hayward literally sits in the corner until it's his turn.

Yeah, they run a lot of isos and shoot a lot of low-percentage 2s. They're not a great shooting team. They're not a great rebounding team either. They defend pretty well, but I don't think they can really win a chip without better shooting and rebounding.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

And I wonder how happy he is with that. One of the reasons he went to the east was for an easier path to all stardom.

It's ironic... I think... maybe just unfortunate. Don't @me @NAOS

 

[ijazz]

Please Jazz fans, boo Robyn's husband mercilessly. I can't make it to the game despite really wanting to so I could savagely unleash pent up frustration and anger, and we need everybody to really step up and let the vitriol fly. The more embarrassing, the better. He crapped on the entire state, his team, his friends. Karma instantly reached out and grabbed him, not coincidentally by a player who the Jazz now have, which I expected. Now we get a chance to show him how you reap what you sow. After tonight, I will let it go.

Get over it. Boo all you want you dummies booed him when drafted.

Wow then you wonder why no FAs come

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Yeah, if it was some sort of SnT it works, but otherwise we would have needed to renounce Haywood and find some team to dump Burks to in order to come close to what TOR offered.

It was in the weekly run podcast. So it has some legitimacy... what they said is Lowry was willing to sign if we renounce Hayward's caphold. We could have maneuvered some more money around or it may have been a longer deal. Maybe he comes for a 4 year 100-110 versus the 3/90 he took. Might have had a deal to trade Favs into someone's cap space (maybe not)... we could have easily cleared some room.