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What stat would you like to use to prove Paul Millsap is significantly better than Derrick Favors?

Lifetime stats:

PER (Millsap/Favors)
19.1/18.7

TS% (Millsap/Favors)
0.558/0.553

Rebounds per36
9.1/9.9

This is actual proof that stats could be used to prove any argument.

Here is one - every single GM in the NBA would take Paul Millsap over Derrick Favors both now AND if they had the choice to go back to 2013. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE.
 
We should have traded AK when Boozer took his PF spot because he wasn't the same player at SF that he was at PF. Plus, his contract suffocated our potential in those years.
We should have traded Al Jefferson sooner.
We should have traded Favors once we realized Gobert is a beast. Favors had a bunch of trade value in those days.
We should have matched on Wes Matthews.
We should have kept Millsap and traded Kanter or Favors in 2013.
We should have traded Hayward a year before he left.

I don't like to live in the past, but I was a fan of every single one of those moves above. I was calling for every single one.
 
Tony Bradley has played 29 nba minutes... only Justin Patton (perpetually injured) and Tyler Lydon have played less minutes of first round picks from last year's draft.

There is some benefit to having a guy that can come in and at least fail fast... so even if we had picked a guy that sucked buy had a better chance to play there is value in figuring that out.

I would love to know what DL thought Bradley was going to become. Not a huge failure given where he was drafted and its still early... who knows. I think that is the most puzzling pick/move he's made that I questioned at the time. Even Bolden I would have understood, because people thought he could shoot the three and he could have been stashed for a year.
 
We should have traded AK when Boozer took his PF spot because he wasn't the same player at SF that he was at PF. Plus, his contract suffocated our potential in those years.
We should have traded Al Jefferson sooner.
We should have traded Favors once we realized Gobert is a beast. Favors had a bunch of trade value in those days.
We should have matched on Wes Matthews.
We should have kept Millsap and traded Kanter or Favors in 2013.
We should have traded Hayward a year before he left.

I don't like to live in the past, but I was a fan of every single one of those moves above. I was calling for every single one.


Ummmm most of those are under KOC, so they shouldn't go on DL's record.
 
It was frustrating watching PJ Tucker go to the Rockets when I probably made like 6 threads saying we should go after him when he was on the Suns.

He's the ultimate buy-low candidate-- hustle player on a **** team who can hit a three on occasion and defend multiple positions.

We've done a decent job of grabbing players of this ilk but this was one that I was perplexed with us never going after.

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The Hayward thing was unavoidable, we tried our best. We hitched our wagons to Hayward instead of Millsap, and I'd say that decision was a wash given that Hayward's best season was at least on par (if not better) than Millsap's career-best season.

The Trey Lyles pick was terrible, the Grayson Allen pick is looking terrible, the Tony Bradley pick was god-awful. Donovan Mitchell pick is godlike, as was Rudy.

All said and done, he's my favourite GM in the NBA and I wouldn't switch him for anyone else (nope, not even Ainge and his "i'll trade 4 picks for Winslow" headass).
 
What stat would you like to use to prove Paul Millsap is significantly better than Derrick Favors?

Lifetime stats:

PER (Millsap/Favors)
19.1/18.7

TS% (Millsap/Favors)
0.558/0.553

Rebounds per36
9.1/9.9
Care to dig up their +/- or W-L record? Or how in he **** you came to the conclusion that they are equals in spreading the floor? Or what percentage of games each has missed over their careers?
 
I can't believe there are fans out there so blinded by bias that they actually try to say that Favors was near as good as Millsap. I mean come on people. Millsap was awesome for us and amazing with Atlanta.
 
Care to dig up their +/- or W-L record? Or how in he **** you came to the conclusion that they are equals in spreading the floor? Or what percentage of games each has missed over their careers?

If you believe those stats will support your case, dig them up. Millsap has probably missed fewer games to injury, but how are you supposed to predict that?
 
I have never understood why people ever thought Favors was a beast. He only had three years of his entire career where he averaged over 8 rebounds. Ironically enough, his highest rpg (8.7) was the year after we let Millsap go. You know how many rpg Millsap averaged the season before? You got it, 8.8. Millsap has had 4 years averaging over 8 rpg. He even had one year averaging 9. You also have to consider this - Millsap was used as a ball handler in Atlanta and was taking over 3 3pt's per game. Since Favors has no range, he is actually hanging around the basket a bunch more than Millsap. And, he still didn't get as many rebounds. So no, Favors is not a better rebounder.

Favors has averaged 1.3 blocks per game in his career. Millsap has averaged 1. So I guess you got me on that one although I think it's pretty negligible.

As for rolling, well, I disagree with you there. Millsap can be the one setting the pick AND the one with the ball. He has been that versatile. So maybe Favors finishes at the rim a tad better, but I take the guy who can be on both sides of that fundamental part of the game.

Millsap has been a very good NBA player for the last decade. Favors has just been a solid player. It's too bad he never got a chance to be a starting center. That was his best role. But we should have kept Millsap. Terrible move by DL.

I don't disagree that Millsap would be a better fit and the more versatile player. I disagree with your statement that Millsap was better than Favors at everything.

Remember that at the time, Millsap wasn't a good shooter and just a mediocre playmaker. Put the blame on Ty and DL who didn't recognize his full potential and allowed him to fully develop.

Regarding the rebounding, you are looking at it the wrong way. Total rebounds is a bad indicator (and simplistic one). You need to take into account pace, minutes played, rebounds available, players on the team. For instance, Favors has never averaged as many minutes as Millsap. When Millsap had 8.8 rpg, he also averaged 3 more minutes per game than Favors in his best rebounding season (8.7). And at the same age (27), Millsap had 7.1rpg on 30.4mpg, same as Favors now in only 23mpg. Also, Millsap have played with weaker rebounding centers than Favors (Rudy), which reduces the number of rebounds available. Also, Utah's pace was a bit faster with Sloan than with Ty the Turd and Quin so Paul benefited from playing most of his career under Jerry and of course in fast-pace Atlanta and Denver.

And finally: for his career Millsap has a rebounding rate (rebounds he grabbed that were available) of 14.6%, with his rebounding declining steadily since 2012 (it's been between 12-14%). In contrast, and despite the fact he has played with Rudy, Derrick has averaged a rebounding rate of 16% for his career. This year he is averaging 17.2%, a number Millsap only reached the first year oh his career, when he came into the league as a rebounding machine. Since then it's been a decline. Favors got 17.9% in 2012-2013. To put it in context, that would rank in the top 10 almost any year. You can find all this on basketball-reference. So yeah, based on facts, Favors is a better rebounder.
 
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