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Jazz considering Jonas Valanciunas at #3

BOX said:
^^^^^^^

Seriously, Do you have a complex?
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Think about this, Box (and I'm not being a smart***). I have this 'thing' for facts. I don't mind speculation (I do it all the time), I appreciate opinions, but I just have this inner issue when opinions are thrown around as facts. I just like to see them separated, that's all. I'm not trying to make everyone/anyone like me, but I can't help but correct FACTUAL type statements when they're wrong. Is that a complex? Nope, just a pet-peeve.
 
BOX said:
^^^^^^^

Seriously, Do you have a complex?
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You do realize that while PKM is on one end of the spectrum, you're on the complete opposite. So basically you're both annoying, but at least he can write lengthy posts and make them seem somewhat intelligent. Meanwhile you're out here saying that Tyler Zeller (whom I actually like btw) is going to be better than Kanter.
 
Hantlers said:
You do realize that while PKM is on one end of the spectrum, you're on the complete opposite. So basically you're both annoying, but at least he can write lengthy posts and make them seem somewhat intelligent. Meanwhile you're out here saying that Tyler Zeller (whom I actually like btw) is going to be better than Kanter.
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So you would rather i write a bunch of stupid **** rather than the little bit a stupid **** i write? It has been said a zillion times already, but kanter has not proven a damn thing, so yes zeller over kanter until proven otherwise. Speaking of annoying, not taking a stance on anything is just that. You and ihave argued in the past about prospects. Remeber our debate on k. Thompson? Where is he projected now? Boom bitch (like that?). Just because i dont write an article everytime i post does not diminish my knowledge of basketball. Kind of sucks writing articles on iphones and ipads which is how i post 95 percent of the time
 
sepanol said:
btw, clearly better is a too strong word. its pretty impossible he will be Clearly better than kanter unless 8-9 bones on kanters legs will be broken and never heal again
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It's not impossible at all. There is no guarantee either of these guys will be any good, in which case we would be betting on who sucks less. PER then, or a forum poll.
 
PKM said:
As I've said before, we agree on most things re: Kanter. However, you cannot simply have hindsight .. look;

- Kanter left Turkey to come play one year of prep ball, one year of college ball, and then the NBA.
- His family felt that did everything necessary to protect his amateur status to accomplish the above.
- He played a year of HS ball.
- He committed to play for the Washington Huskies.
- He changed his mind and decided to play for UK.
- His eligibility was challenged by the NCAA (and even Mark Emmert said, publicly - initially - that he thought Enes would be cleared to play with a small suspension).
- He lost his case.
- Case was appealed.
- Case was lost.
- Kanter was asked publicly what he wanted to do. He said, I wanted to play bb for the Univ. of Kentucky, but now that I can't, I want to finish out my year, helping out my teammates anyway I can, and then enter the NBA draft.

I have seen Kanter, in MANY conversations, express his love for Turkey and his life/experiences there. He's represented your country very well. I just think he came here with an idea, it didn't work, and had to establish a plan 'b.' That plan was to sit tight and wait for the draft .. and while doing so, workout with UK bigs and stay in shape at a state-of-the-art practice facility.
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of course he came with idea, but im telling how he changed his idea so quick in 1 yr. Becuz he was telling completely different things when he was younger, so who incited him in this decision?
I think playing in HS doesnt provide him so much help, he was already above HS level, i wish he could play in ncaa, then he could have been better.
But we will see, he is very young and there isnt much lost yet. Mabe its better for jazz if we pick him and he turn out to be a very good player, cuz otherwise, if he played in ncaa,he could have gone number 1
 
BOX said:
So you would rather i write a bunch of stupid **** rather than the little bit a stupid **** i write? It has been said a zillion times already, but kanter has not proven a damn thing, so yes zeller over kanter until proven otherwise. Speaking of annoying, not taking a stance on anything is just that. You and ihave argued in the past about prospects. Remeber our debate on k. Thompson? Where is he projected now? Boom bitch (like that?). Just because i dont write an article everytime i post does not diminish my knowledge of basketball. Kind of sucks writing articles on iphones and ipads which is how i post 95 percent of the time
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My point was that at least PKM makes his posts sound intelligent. Yours sound like a 14 year old boy, which is sad because apparently you're in your 20's or 30's. And I do remember our debate on Klay Thompson and I conceded that I did not know enough about him, but that I did not think he would be a good pick for our 12th choice. I still stand by that. At #12, if I have to choose I take Jordan Hamilton over Klay Thompson every day. I don't want you to write an article, I just want you to write somewhat articulate. There's a difference.
 
Look you dont care for me, neither I for you. You are welcome to ignore me or if you want to sit and call each other names we can do it through PM like 14 year old boys. Cool?
 
BOX said:
Look you dont care for me, neither I for you. You are welcome to ignore me or if you want to sit and call each other names we can do it through PM like 14 year old boys. Cool?
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yeah plz do that through PMs with me too instd of responding every single word i write for Kanter
 
BOX said:
Well I dont dislike you in any way. I completely disagree with you and we have different points of view, but thats what make the boards fun.
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im curious, why r u so skeptical about kanter? is it just the stats? or u didnt like what u saw in his videos, any side of his game?
 
sepanol said:
is it just the stats?
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For me, it's the lack thereof.

I'm actually in favor of Kanter over Knight, but I admit it's a gamble. As a fan of Kanter, I understand the criticism of him, just because we don't have a big body of work to judge like we do with Knight.
 
MattMan said:
For me, it's the lack thereof.

I'm actually in favor of Kanter over Knight, but I admit it's a gamble. As a fan of Kanter, I understand the criticism of him, just because we don't have a big body of work to judge like we do with Knight.
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i exactly understand and i agree at some point, but honestly, i wonder why would someone favor Zeller over Kanter
 
sepanol said:
i exactly understand and i agree at some point, but honestly, i wonder why would someone favor Zeller over Kanter
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What mattman said summarizes my point of view. My statement of Zeller being better is really in jest. My point is that Zeller I have at least seen play and I like him while Kanter just does not have any body of work for me to really make a fair assesment so naturally I do not want him. Most experts think Kanter is going to be a decent player so there has to be some trust in that. He is just such a risk IMO.
 
BOX said:
What mattman said summarizes my point of view. My statement of Zeller being better is really in jest. My point is that Zeller I have at least seen play and I like him while Kanter just does not have any body of work for me to really make a fair assesment so naturally I do not want him. Most experts think Kanter is going to be a decent player so there has to be some trust in that. He is just such a risk IMO.
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Word.
 
of course its a risk but i dont see any player available at 3 which can be a franchise player or lift us to higher levels. So i think its worth taking it
 
i like knight but there is a clear difference between irving and knight, which im not so high on seeing another top class pg again, becuz i havent see any champion for long time with its best player a pg. But if cavs pick irving, knight may be available by a trade with toronto, i would be more pleased if we get knight n kanter together
 
they arent nash or deron or paul. I think knight may eventually become as good as rondo, but rondo cant pull the level of a team, he can be a perfect fit in a good system, or a sharpshooter near him, but he isnt a top class pg for sure
 
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