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ESPN: Bucks and T'Wolves have talked Bogut + 10th pick for 2nd pick

I actually don't have a lot of concerns about Bogut's injuries. From what I can recall, his injury problems this year were exclusively arm-related, and I really don't worry about that. Arm's heal much easier than knees and back, even though I know he's had back problems in the past.

But I'm not a Bogut expert. I just know that when you're a league-leader in both blocks and charges taken, in addition to holding your matchup to below-average numbers, you're doing a great job.
 
Yeah, I'm in no way concerned about his elbow. Elbow's dont have to support 260+ pounds of Aussie beef. Knees and backs, however, do.
 
Bogut's elbow injury was very serious. He has had two surgeries on it. He may never have full strength or flexibility in his arm. I would not trade for him now but when he was healthy I certainly would have. Unfortunately, the reason why he is on the block is because he isn't the same player.
 
Favors Flave said:
When Bogut is healthy, outside of Dwight Howard who is a better C than Bogut?
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Off the top of my head, I'll be honest and say I don't know. But I'll counter you by asking if he is the second best center in the league, a position that is very weak (looking at names, stats, and using common sense), then why does he not have better stats? I'm not saying stats tell the whole story but Jesus the position is so weak across the board in the league and yet he averaged just 12.8 ppg last season (on under 50% from the floor), 2.0 assists, and 44.2% from the line. Sorry but he's nothing special.

And yes I know the Bucks play a slower tempo.
 
KrazeeEyezKilla said:
Off the top of my head, I'll be honest and say I don't know. But I'll counter you by asking if he is the second best center in the league, a position that is very weak (looking at names, stats, and using common sense), then why does he not have better stats? I'm not saying stats tell the whole story but Jesus the position is so weak across the board in the league and yet he averaged just 12.8 ppg last season (on under 50% from the floor), 2.0 assists, and 44.2% from the line. Sorry but he's nothing special.

And yes I know the Bucks play a slower tempo.
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Screwed up right arm. It should get better.
 
Just for fun I photoshopped Bogut as a Jazz man:

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Dwill_PwnasaurasRex said:
Because Bogut is constantly injured.
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Hyperbole.

The Thriller said:
Bogut makes Boozer and AK look like ironmen.
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Ignorance/ute hate. Can't decide which is the overriding factor.

Brilliant job, fellas.

For what it's worth...

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/486477-2010-2011-nba-preview-ranking-the-centers-for-all-30-teams/page/29

https://sportige.com/top-5-centers-2010-2011-nba/

https://dimemag.com/2011/02/the-nbas-top-10-centers/

All three of these sources say Bogut is top 3 among centers.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Screwed up right arm. It should get better.
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I'm sorry Numberica, but the fact is that fracture/dislocations of the wrist and elbow can be absolutely devastating and can severely limit range of motion and cause pain for the rest of one's life. With fracture involvement of the joint itself, early arthritis is the rule--not the exception. There are those that heal well and the patient is symptom-free within a year. But, that is definitely NOT the norm.

You may be confusing the issue with a simple "broken arm" which involves no joints, ligaments, nor the interosseus membrane that holds the radius/ulna together. Although he won't be bearing his own body weight on the affected limb, he does need to be able to have full supination/pronation, and extension/flexion to be effective on the offensive end. I am certain that this is what is limiting his shot to under 50% and I do't think you can be sure that it will get appreciably better.

I am a physician. NO to Bogut.
 
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