How much should we be talking about Donovan?

[Deleted member 365]

Exum has two good consecutive games for the 5th time in his career and he looks “far more dependable”?

Look, Mitchell is struggling, but there’s no need to reach to state the point.

Wait a minute, aren’t we talking about this game? So I don’t understand why you’re surprised about me saying that Exum and Jingles looked far more dependable on offense tonight. And That shouldn’t be, Mitchell should always be our #1 best player offensively. He’s our Malone, Lebron, Kobe.

Mitchell has been disappointing this season to say the least. But I definitely think he deserves the most criticism of everyone after tonight's Loss. He was awful. His decision to chuck up 3s and not get to the line is inexcusable. And yes, it was a decision. His shot selection tonight was awful.

 

[Deleted member 365]

He's trying so hard to play loose. I feel for him. I still believe in him for sure, but damn he's had it rough.

I think 90 percent of Mitchell’s problems could be fixed by shot selection. He’s not Klay Thompson or Steph Curry. We need more young Tony Parker, Drose, DeAaron Fox, and less Splash Bros.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

We keep handing Mitchell the ball and ask him to create something on his own as an isolation scorer. You're going to get mixed results. He's not James Harden or Kyrie right now.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Wait a minute, aren’t we talking about this game? So I don’t understand why you’re surprised about me saying that Exum and Jingles looked far more dependable on offense tonight. And That shouldn’t be, Mitchell should always be our #1 best player offensively. He’s our Malone, Lebron, Kobe.

Mitchell has been disappointing this season to say the least. But I definitely think he deserves the most criticism of everyone after tonight's Loss. He was awful. His decision to chuck up 3s and not get to the line is inexcusable. And yes, it was a decision. His shot selection tonight was awful.

Slow down on your bad takes, it’s hard to keep up:
-A person performing in a microscopic sample size doesn’t equate to dependability.
-“to say the least”? Nah, Mitchell being just disappointing sounds about exactly right. You talk about him like he’s turned into a **** player.
-‘YeS hIs DeCiSiOn’: are you aware drawing fouls has never been Mitchell’s game? Two games ago, he was receiving criticism for trying to learn how to draw fouls from others on the board.
-Mitchell shot 10/20 with 23 points. Weird night to decide to finally get riled up about Mitchell being so terrible of all nights. Just a dog **** mother-****ing piece of absolute trash, m i right
-Ingles didn’t have a good game tonight

Calm down on the hyperbole if that is even possible for you.

 

[Sandman822]

I'm willing to give Mitchell a pass on most thing as I think he'll figure it out, but the one thing that's bugging me of late (and there's no real stat I can find to back this up this is pure eye test/ancedotal) is that the Jazz' offense is seemingly moving the ball a lot better whenever Mitchell isn't on the floor vs when he is on the floor, and I think it's taking some guys out of rhythm at times. It's a super small sample size, but Joe Ingles in the last 5 games since he's been playing more with the bench unit and getting plenty of touches is averaging 14.4/5.2asts/4rebs on 49.1% and 43.3% from deep, and I'm of the opinion that he's getting more of a rhythm because he's getting more touches and facilitating more of the offense with that bench unit, compared to his season averages of 12.1/4.7asts/3.9rebs on 44.7% and 38.6% from deep.

There's loads of noise in that sample size but it's the best I could do to find some stats that support my eye test, but I do think Mitchell forcing bad shots often is hurting his teammates offensively to a degree.

 

[str8line]

I'm willing to give Mitchell a pass on most thing as I think he'll figure it out, but the one thing that's bugging me of late (and there's no real stat I can find to back this up this is pure eye test/ancedotal) is that the Jazz' offense is seemingly moving the ball a lot better whenever Mitchell isn't on the floor vs when he is on the floor, and I think it's taking some guys out of rhythm at times. It's a super small sample size, but Joe Ingles in the last 5 games since he's been playing more with the bench unit and getting plenty of touches is averaging 14.4/5.2asts/4rebs on 49.1% and 43.3% from deep, and I'm of the opinion that he's getting more of a rhythm because he's getting more touches and facilitating more of the offense with that bench unit, compared to his season averages of 12.1/4.7asts/3.9rebs on 44.7% and 38.6% from deep.

There's loads of noise in that sample size but it's the best I could do to find some stats that support my eye test, but I do think Mitchell forcing bad shots often is hurting his teammates offensively to a degree.

I agree, he's taking them out of the game at times.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Exum has two good consecutive games for the 5th time in his career and he looks “far more dependable”?

Look, Mitchell is struggling, but there’s no need to reach to state the point.

Do people think DM was really bad tonight. Not great but Jimmy Butler guarding him and Embiid waiting at the rim... couple turnovers were bad but that happens.

Two of his shots were basically heaves. He wasn’t great but he wasn’t let’s have a talk about this bad.

 

[Spinoza]

I am 99.9% positive Mitchell is going to figure it out and become a perennial all-star.

He’s going through tough times because what worked for him last year suddenly isn't working this year.

He thinks if he just keeps trying harder he will get success back. At some point he'll start to understand the game and himself better. He will get smarter and stop forcing so much. When that happens the Jazz are going to be dangerous.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I think the toe injury in the off-season probably hurt his skill development. Not a lot of time for him to work on his game in the off-season. Also not a lot of time to work on his 1-foot jumping ability, which is still his biggest hurdle in drawing fouls.

 

[Jingled]

I actually thought tonight Mitchells best game in quite some time. That being said, he's definitely going through a rough patch. I feel like he's just forcing it a lot instead of letting it come to him. He's not a good 3 point shooter at this point in his career so why does he force so many up every single game? I feel like if he could just improve his shot selection and decision making then his FG% and efficiency on offense would improve greatly.

 

[oneye]

There’s a lot in this question of whether we should be talking about him, the answer is yes and no. Donovan still deserves a pass this season to be quite honest. He hasn’t been good, he hasn’t been bad, it’s just a little disappointing because we all thought he was going to be an All Star level type player right away. Truth is it’s going to take a couple more seasons probably to fine tune this team and him to come into the player he is going to be.

The biggest issue I see is he can’t get inside under control anymore. Last season he was beating guys inside. I’m not sure if he isn’t quite as quick or if teams have adjusted, but he’s getting smothered before he gets anywhere near the restricted area all the time and he can’t penetrate it as well this year, which in turn is leading to more jumpshots which he’s struggling with right now. For the most part though, those scoop layups and dunks have been all but taken away.

Someone mentioned it seems like things flow a little better when he’s not out there. I think it’s obvious actually. The ball does stick with Donovan. A lot of the other guys are in constant motion, but the ball does stick when he gets it a bit more than with other guys. Which is fine if the plan is for him to go one on one or something.

I don’t really have a concern, kids super talented, he cares a ton. Donovan has a decent game tonight, but there’s a difference between being good and being dominant. There’s only been a few games this year where I’ve had those wow moments where you have butterfly’s thinking that guy is on your team doing that. Donovan has been decent but not dominant. The Jazz future and success relies on Donovan being dominant, not just good. Good news is, there’s no reason to be concerned right now. It’s way to early in our young studs career to think he’s not still destined for greatness. Donovan will be okay. Patience. And yes patience is reasonable on a guy expected so much of so early. Let him grow. The Jazz’s success is in his hands, so get behind him, support him, and don’t worry about him for a long time. There’s no need right now.

 

[oneye]

I actually thought tonight Mitchells best game in quite some time. That being said, he's definitely going through a rough patch. I feel like he's just forcing it a lot instead of letting it come to him. He's not a good 3 point shooter at this point in his career so why does he force so many up every single game? I feel like if he could just improve his shot selection and decision making then his FG% and efficiency on offense would improve greatly.

Tbh with you I think he’s being told to take a certain number of 3’s a game. I think they want him taking 6,7,8 a game.