Point Guards

[LoPo]

I will be interested to see how much better, worse or the same we will be with Donovan and Neto running the point. As a guy with little faith in Rubio making us a contender, I now get to see if lacking Rubio makes us a lottery team.

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[RRJazz]

I will be interested to see how much better, worse or the same we will be with Donovan and Neto running the point. As a guy with little faith in Rubio making us a contender, I now get to see if lacking Rubio makes us a lottery team.

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Next 4 games should be Ws:
vs Magic
vs Lakers
vs Bulls
vs Pistons

After those it gets much more dangerous:
@ Clippers
vs Blazers
vs Nuggets Jan 24th (Exum might be back and even Rubio being very optimistic)
vs Wolves
@ Wolves

February is actually pretty tough. We better be ready.
March is when it really gets easy.

 

[homeytennis]

To me the path of least resistance is to see if Naz is NBA ready. No one has to get cut. I think there are a certain number of games two ways can play. Also when Grayson heals play him at the point.

 

[oneye]

To me the path of least resistance is to see if Naz is NBA ready. No one has to get cut. I think there are a certain number of games two ways can play. Also when Grayson heals play him at the point.

I’ve liked Naz when I’ve watched him with the Stars. NBA is a different game, but Naz seems okay to me as a backup to Neto.

As for the rest of it. I wouldn’t be surprised if Donovan is the starting PG. I don’t really like that, I think it’s added pressure on Donovan that he doesn’t need right now. I didn’t realize there were so many wanting him to run the point, but to be completely honest he’s not very good at it right now. He’s not better than Neto at it. It’s just too much to ask him to facilitate and be our offense, it’s too much and it’s unfair if you’re asking him to take you to wins over the next few weeks as your point guard and leading scorer IMO. If you’re okay with “practice making perfect” and letting him grow during this process without worrying as much about wins I think you have to decide which is more important at this stage.

If you want to make the playoffs and wins are the goal I think you have to find a way to keep Donovan away from being put in the roll of having to be PG and the leading scorer. You can’t ask all of that of him, not right now. If you’re cool letting Donovan develop his PG skills, then you have to live with the results which honestly haven’t been great when he’s ran PG during extended periods.


I’ll think at this point you roll with Neto, give Naz some time, and hope Grayson gets back to fill some minutes at the 2 as well, while giving Joe and Donovan some minor minutes at PG and hope Dante gets back in due time. The worry of course being, Neto is also someone who gets injured a lot and we’ll see how long he lasts playing extended time.

One things for certain, this is a very bad time to have injuries stacking up especially in the same positions.

 

[Deleted member 5000]

I don't want point guard duties(offense and defensive) to fall on DM45, we want him fresh (mentally & physically) to close out games.

@LoPo will now see how blessed we are to have the Rubio

 

[Keefe]

Maybe this could be a blessing. I’m hoping we see Donovan at the point for the far majority of his court time. If he looks good, or even great, maybe we’ll decide to move on from Rubio.

I’ve supported Rubio but between his shooting woes and injuries, I’m just not sure he’s dependable.

 

[Harambe]

By the time they would sign anyone and teach them the system, Dante would be coming back. Neto can do 30+ minutes.

I feel like this leads the train of thought.

Increase Neto's minutes
Distribute the rest between ball handlers(Mitchell, Ingles)

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Neto is a really good backup imo... pretty under-rated, but I'm always impressed with his positive attitude and always being ready to play. Durability has been an issue, but there is no need to bring anyone in at all.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I don't want point guard duties(offense and defensive) to fall on DM45, we want him fresh (mentally & physically) to close out games.

@LoPo will now see how blessed we are to have the Rubio

I want DM to get the reps personally. I think his best position is eventually as a PG. Maybe he needs a Pat Beverly to his Harden, but I think a 2 guard who can shoot, defend and handle a little would be fantastic next to DM. DM is a bit undersized defending the wing... got great size for a PG doe.

He can be the PG and not have to run every set each time down the court... especially in our offense. Let's be honest... he already has a lot of creation responsibility. If we are going to get where we want to go he needs to be a scorer and playmaker. Get him reps now and see how far he has to go. Even if he sucks at it for 10-15 games and it costs us some wins.

 

[Jack Strop]

Agree with Handlogten. DM at the 1 might be ideal, although defending some of the PG's in the West is probably harder than defending SG's.

Jazz would need a SG who can actually shoot, though. That's what wears on Mitchell. He has to shoulder the entire offensive load since Rubio isn't a shooter and Ingles isn't much of a threat lately.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

all savings will be reinvested in the program.

That’s a relief

Because McCaw is trash.

If the Jazz want a guy like Weber they can always cut one of their current two-way guys and sign him to a 2-way.

That’s Naz and Cavanagh?

Wouldn’t that be a great fairytale ending though?

That bitch can just stay home and count his rolls of fat! Don’t be a damn idiot!!

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I want DM to get the reps personally. I think his best position is eventually as a PG. Maybe he needs a Pat Beverly to his Harden, but I think a 2 guard who can shoot, defend and handle a little would be fantastic next to DM. DM is a bit undersized defending the wing... got great size for a PG doe.

He can be the PG and not have to run every set each time down the court... especially in our offense. Let's be honest... he already has a lot of creation responsibility. If we are going to get where we want to go he needs to be a scorer and playmaker. Get him reps now and see how far he has to go. Even if he sucks at it for 10-15 games and it costs us some wins.

Nah, the Jazz would epic morons to try to make him a PG. Obviously he is going to have to do more of that now, but hopefully they minimize it as much as possible.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Agree with Handlogten. DM at the 1 might be ideal, although defending some of the PG's in the West is probably harder than defending SG's.

Jazz would need a SG who can actually shoot, though. That's what wears on Mitchell. He has to shoulder the entire offensive load since Rubio isn't a shooter and Ingles isn't much of a threat lately.

Which is why a 2 next to him or Brogdon might be perfect. Shooting is a priority and secondary creation would be fantastic. Defense should at least be adequate. Not easy to find admittedly, but if you expand the search to SGs and PGs there is a slightly bigger talent pool.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

And Neto's actually decent. Just play Neto.

 

[fishonjazz]

I will be interested to see how much better, worse or the same we will be with Donovan and Neto running the point. As a guy with little faith in Rubio making us a contender, I now get to see if lacking Rubio makes us a lottery team.

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Well last night I think neto compared favorably to Rubio statistically at least.
29 minutes 4-8 from the field, 2-3 from three, 6 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 foul. I would be happy if Ricky shot those percentages and had those rebounding and assist numbers. Played tough pesky defense too.

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[oneye]

Some of you who want DM to be a point guard need to really consider what's going to be needed of him in the coming years. I think it's fine for DM to get good at playing PG for the Jazz and having the ability to do it well, but no way you ever just stick him there permanently. He needs to score and it's what he's best at. I think developing his PG skills is great so that he can do it at times but no way you stick him there. Height wize he's undersized but Donovans arms are very long and he's very strong. He should be at the 2.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Nah, the Jazz would epic morons to try to make him a PG. Obviously he is going to have to do more of that now, but hopefully they minimize it as much as possible.

If you are talking the rigid definition of a PG then I would somewhat agree... but regardless of who he plays with he is likely the primary creator with the ball in his hand. I don't think he needs a traditional PG next to him. Brogdon isn't a traditional PG but he'd work really well there. Other guys can get players into place and run the offense... doesn't have to come from a pg.

Was listening to Dunc'd on podcast.. they were talking about how Harden has seen every defense so many times that he is just a savant with passing and reading things... getting DM those reps pays off later in his career. Don't need to go to that extreme, but I don't get the value of having another ball dominant pg next to him unless that guy is a better scorer/creator than DM. Getting a guy like Kemba would be great but then there are defensive issues as both guys are undersized. If we open our mind a bit on position it gets easier to find personnel that will maximize his talent.

 

[Eminence]

So how exactly does it work if a player is on a 2-way with another team and we'd want him on our squad? Do we just have to wait out the deal, does a trade have to happen, or can we just give him an offer? Was just looking through g-league guys and wondering about it.

Weber seems like the best PG we could get and I don't believe it's an issue there, not sure he's actually solid enough for it to we worthwhile, but among other guys Chris Boucher looked fairly interesting (much more so than a guy like Bennett) and he is on a 2-way with the Raptors.

 

[UB]

Rubio is going to be out until at least All-Star. You can't rush a hamstring.

And you can’t fight the moonlight. No, you can’t fight it.

 

[fishonjazz]

Some of you who want DM to be a point guard need to really consider what's going to be needed of him in the coming years. I think it's fine for DM to get good at playing PG for the Jazz and having the ability to do it well, but no way you ever just stick him there permanently. He needs to score and it's what he's best at. I think developing his PG skills is great so that he can do it at times but no way you stick him there. Height wize he's undersized but Donovans arms are very long and he's very strong. He should be at the 2.

Scoring point guards are a thing though. Dame, Steph, Russ, harden, etc etc.

Not the worst thing in the world for your point guard to be a scorer

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