2019 Trade Deadline Discussion

[Handlogten's Heros]

Pelicans are screwed. Even if AD comes back after tonight's game their next 4 are brutal. They are behind and will lose ground... wonder if they wake up and realize the AD era is over and they should move on?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Well how much does Detroit even want to keep him? That contract is tough for a team going nowhere. Trading them at least puts them firmly on one side of the tanking fence, which I'm sure the fans would prefer.

The injury stuff, age, and contract are obviously concerns. But man, a shooting, playmaking, PF who can get buckets. I get giddy thinking about him in our offense. Mitchell, Gobert, and (healthy) Blake is a team I'd be happy to go to war with for the next few years. That team would be a problem.

Right... these teams and their owners are prideful and not super rational. I know they have a new arena... it's already empty though. They should move on, but i bet they are more likely to move stuff around Blake in hopes of fixing it.

 

[LoPo]

Pelicans are screwed. Even if AD comes back after tonight's game their next 4 are brutal. They are behind and will lose ground... wonder if they wake up and realize the AD era is over and they should move on?

If they can get Kuzma, they should make the deal right now. If NOLA made AD available to LA, they could probably get anything they want from LA minus LeBron. For our sake, I hope this happens. If LA gets AD in the summer because AD forces NOLA's hand, LA won't have to send as much to get him. An LA with AD, LeBron and Kuzma would be so scary. And they would still have money to spend....

 

[LoPo]

Tbh with how our team is playing even being down some guys, plus the fact that we have one of the easiest schedules in the league and I think we finish the season on a 15-5 run and go into the playoffs as one of, if not, the hottest teams in the league with home court advantage. I think we will win the 1st round of the playoffs and maybe even round 2 depending on who we match up against.

It might be better to hold onto that cap space and go after a free agent. We might be very enticing to a free agent after another strong regular season and deep playoff run with a stud star Spida and a guy like Rudy plus a young star coach and really nice supporting cast.

I believe Donovan (plus a but load of cash) will be able to attract a big time free agent to this awesome roster and management/culture we have going here.



I was thinking we need to make a trade but I'm leaning the other way now towards attacking free agency

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I understand your logic, but I have to disagree.

To play in free agency this summer, we have to renounce Rubio and Favors. So even if we got Tobias, we would lose two good contributors without the financial ability to add another great piece (we would only have the $4.6 million room exception since we would be a below cap team to start free agency). If we make a trade now, we still have the rights of Rubio or Favors, can spend the money to keep them AND we would have the $9 million MLE exception to add even more. So put it this way:

WAIT FOR FREE AGENCY - Maybe add a player but lose Rubio and Favors. After adding the player, we can use $4.6 million room exception. Tobias+$4.6 million player

TRADE NOW - Add a player, keep Rubio or Favors AND have a $9 million MLE exception to use. Otto+Rubio+$9 million player

 

[NUMBERICA]

I understand your logic, but I have to disagree.

To play in free agency this summer, we have to renounce Rubio and Favors. So even if we got Tobias, we would lose two good contributors without the financial ability to add another great piece (we would only have the $4.6 million room exception since we would be a below cap team to start free agency). If we make a trade now, we still have the rights of Rubio or Favors, can spend the money to keep them AND we would have the $9 million MLE exception to add even more. So put it this way:

WAIT FOR FREE AGENCY - Maybe add a player but lose Rubio and Favors. After adding the player, we can use $4.6 million room exception. Tobias+$4.6 million player

TRADE NOW - Add a player, keep Rubio or Favors AND have a $9 million MLE exception to use. Otto+Rubio+$9 million player

I’m not sure how it all works with cap holds and everything but there’s something to this.

That being said, I haven’t had much of an opportunity to watch games until recently but having Favors is really ****ing nice. It’s going to be hard to let him go but it simply isn’t really in the interest of his career or our roster composition for him to stay here. You trade him now, and I think he earns a bigger contract this offseason or has his option exercised. And I think Favors + 1st makes sense for the Clippers.

 

[Stars Fan]

Tbh with how our team is playing even being down some guys, plus the fact that we have one of the easiest schedules in the league and I think we finish the season on a 15-5 run and go into the playoffs as one of, if not, the hottest teams in the league with home court advantage. I think we will win the 1st round of the playoffs and maybe even round 2 depending on who we match up against.

It might be better to hold onto that cap space and go after a free agent. We might be very enticing to a free agent after another strong regular season and deep playoff run with a stud star Spida and a guy like Rudy plus a young star coach and really nice supporting cast.

I believe Donovan (plus a but load of cash) will be able to attract a big time free agent to this awesome roster and management/culture we have going here.



I was thinking we need to make a trade but I'm leaning the other way now towards attacking free agency

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I like your optimism but I'm not convinced we attract a top tier talent without making it to the conference finals or beyond. We may get a guy like Niko or Jabari in FA...is that enough? I don't think so. Swing for the fence now, and try to land the key piece seems like a more successful strategy. Even that is a long shot. So, we continue to build the brand, hope we hit it lucky in the draft again, and develop from within.


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[Handlogten's Heros]

If they can get Kuzma, they should make the deal right now. If NOLA made AD available to LA, they could probably get anything they want from LA minus LeBron. For our sake, I hope this happens. If LA gets AD in the summer because AD forces NOLA's hand, LA won't have to send as much to get him. An LA with AD, LeBron and Kuzma would be so scary. And they would still have money to spend....

It just depends on if they can get Boston into the mix. Spence Checketts said he thinks Boston would trade Kyrie if it meant getting AD and that Kyrie has been more of a problem than outsiders realize.

Kyrie obvi goes to a different 3rd team for something good in that scenario... I think if they got serious about moving AD that Philly would throw Ben Simmons on the table potentially.

Could get interesting... AD to LA is no lock either way. Someone will beat an Ingram and stuff offer.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I understand your logic, but I have to disagree.

To play in free agency this summer, we have to renounce Rubio and Favors. So even if we got Tobias, we would lose two good contributors without the financial ability to add another great piece (we would only have the $4.6 million room exception since we would be a below cap team to start free agency). If we make a trade now, we still have the rights of Rubio or Favors, can spend the money to keep them AND we would have the $9 million MLE exception to add even more. So put it this way:

WAIT FOR FREE AGENCY - Maybe add a player but lose Rubio and Favors. After adding the player, we can use $4.6 million room exception. Tobias+$4.6 million player

TRADE NOW - Add a player, keep Rubio or Favors AND have a $9 million MLE exception to use. Otto+Rubio+$9 million player

I'd do a trade now as long as it is for a guy in their 20s... I want no part of Conley or Love (Conley was tempting, but nah).

The right deal has to open up, but I agree there is some concrete/advanced planning we can do if we don't have to rely on FA for the big addition.

 

[MDAV28]

You can trade in the offseason, and a S&T typically doesn't make sense anymore, but could make sense for the Jazz (and obviously would make sense for the team who would lose their player for nothing) in order to keep Rubio or Faves. Like for example if the Clippers landed one star, Tobias wants to sign with us, we could work a sign and trade in which the Clippers got Faves, and depending on the date, could waive him or pick up his option for one more year and keep their 2020 cap space open for maybe another star?

Trading now limits the Jazz options... that's why it would only make sense to trade if it's a favorable deal (aka ONLY Faves and Sef for Otto, no asset) since there are other options like trying to land a player in FA.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

You can trade in the offseason, and a S&T typically doesn't make sense anymore, but could make sense for the Jazz (and obviously would make sense for the team who would lose their player for nothing) in order to keep Rubio or Faves. Like for example if the Clippers landed one star, Tobias wants to sign with us, we could work a sign and trade in which the Clippers got Faves, and depending on the date, could waive him or pick up his option for one more year and keep their 2020 cap space open for maybe another star?

Trading now limits the Jazz options... that's why it would only make sense to trade if it's a favorable deal (aka ONLY Faves and Sef for Otto, no asset) since there are other options like trying to land a player in FA.

I'm not sure the Favs scenario works...

I'm cool with throwing our first (or Grayson if he has value) into a deal for OP jr. I think he is in a similar tier as Tobias... they are just different.

 

[MDAV28]

I'm not sure the Favs scenario works...

I'm cool with throwing our first (or Grayson if he has value) into a deal for OP jr. I think he is in a similar tier as Tobias... they are just different.

Because the money? Jazz would probably have to sign Rubio before in that hypothetical scenario to get that massive cap hold down.

Otto is a valuable player, but I don't believe Jazz should have to give up an asset (other than Faves who would honestly make them a better team) for his contract.

 

[fishonjazz]

Show Tobias the clip of DM high giving the crowd and then a highlight of the clippers arena dead silent or cheering for the warriors or lakers... then get his Bank account info so we know where to send the direct deposits.

Exactly.
Donovan is the savior. Guys will want to play with him. Charisma oozes from the guy.
And who the **** wouldn't want to play with Rudy? He won't take shots from you, he will cover up your poor defense, and he will give you the best screens in the NBA. Plus he seems very likeable off court.
Snyder, jingles, jae, etc etc. Jazz have affected assembled a very likeable cohesive roster. Anyone would be foolish not to take our Max money contract to come play for this organization and in front of these fans.

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