2019 Trade Deadline Discussion

[NUMBERICA]

If I'm the Jazz, I'm still hell-bent on preserving cap. You have to move Dante in virtually any scenario where you're not rebuilding.

I am not sold at all that Tobias Harris stays with the Sixers. Their other 3 stars are really big personalities that pout a lot, I would dare-say they are self-centered. Are they going to offer him the full 5-year max, and would he want to stay to basically be a 4th option/spot-up shooter? I think it's more likely they retain him if they lose Butler for any number of reasons, but it's hard for me to think that the Sixers would do that on purpose.

Tobias would be the second-option here. Tobias on this team is a perennial WCF team, and if the Warriors start falling apart over the years, probably make the finals. He would be the piece here that makes everything work. We'd need him to create space for our other stars but we would also need him to create.

There is no way I give up a chance to go after him, let alone Kawhi, etc. You strike out, you look at the market for picking up deals that teams don't want to pay on (Blake, Conley!, etc).

 

[JazzyFresh]

Exum has played in less than half of Utah's game the last 2 years. Even when he is healthy he's averaging 16 minutes. I see the potential but I don't see why he's unmovable. I think at some point DL is going to have to take a huge gamble and make a move with someone like Dante.

 

[l Abach l]

If I'm the Jazz, I'm still hell-bent on preserving cap. You have to move Dante in virtually any scenario where you're not rebuilding.

I am not sold at all that Tobias Harris stays with the Sixers. Their other 3 stars are really big personalities that pout a lot, I would dare-say they are self-centered. Are they going to offer him the full 5-year max, and would he want to stay to basically be a 4th option/spot-up shooter? I think it's more likely they retain him if they lose Butler for any number of reasons, but it's hard for me to think that the Sixers would do that on purpose.

Tobias would be the second-option here. Tobias on this team is a perennial WCF team, and if the Warriors start falling apart over the years, probably make the finals. He would be the piece here that makes everything work. We'd need him to create space for our other stars but we would also need him to create.

There is no way I give up a chance to go after him, let alone Kawhi, etc. You strike out, you look at the market for picking up deals that teams don't want to pay on (Blake, Conley!, etc).

Tobias isn't coming to Utah. There are 10-12 other teams that will have MORE available cap space than Utah. Why would he choose Utah over the likes of Brooklyn, Indiana, Philly, Dallas, Orlando, etc.? Jazz have whiffed in the FA market for years; why would that change now? Control what you can and trade for a star.

 

[candrew]

Jerry West is a savage btw... traded the guy that hit a game friggin winner and carried the team last night... in the middle of a playoff race... ONIONS!

You have to be a bit of a savage to be an effective GM. Sometimes I think The Jazz FO falls in love with their own players a bit too much or believes their own "team is everything" propaganda.

 

[SCS]

I am still not entirely sold on Conley. I'm glad Lindsey is holding firm, but holding out because of Exum is completely backwards. The only thing that makes taking Conley palatable is moving off of Exum's totally-irrational $11 million a year.

If we trade Rubio for Conley then Exum's size and defensive versatility would be valuable to us off of the bench. Especially come playoff time against teams like the Rockets and Warriors. Remember what he did to Harden in the playoffs last season? Conley isn't doing that. Mitchell has too much offensive responsibility to be expected to do that.

I agree Exum has many flaws. I just see the value defensively

 

[RagingRod]

Go big or go home. Get Kyrie Irving in Utah. Give them whatever they want short of donny, ingles and Gobert. But make it happen.


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[NUMBERICA]

If you trade Exum for Mirotic, you both get a player that gives you something you desperately need (a consistent starter at the 4 that can shoot*) and it's a stealth salary-dump. You'd probably have to throw in a 2nd. Why on earth would NOP keep Mirotic at this stage, and with the Sixers blowing their load for Harris, how are they competition at this point?

Same thing could be said in a deal for Jabari. I haven't done a deep dig on Chicago's cap situation or have any idea what their plan is, but I'd be happy to give the guy a whirl to at least see if it could work.

Bjelica is probably a pipe-dream, but the fit there is still a little weird given Bagley and the timeline with them.

 

[David Stern]

Since the truth about Exum is finally being told I am just going lay this out there as well.

The reason why you guys dont like Jabari is because he is Mormon.

There I said it. The truth is out there now.

Y'all know he is a baller. You just dont want mormon baller. You have hated every mormon baller ever.

P.S. I am not mormon or religious.

You realize that a decent percentage of this board is mormon, right? Nobody wants to trade for Jabari at 20 million, but probably 75% of the board would be happy if we picked him up after a buyout or signed him for dirt cheap in the offseason.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

The fact that UTA/MEM are still talking after several days and the fact Utah upped their offer suggest that both sides want a deal to happen.

They're just shaking each other down til the last.

 

[JAZZGASM]

The coastal part of WA is very progressive, while the inside is very conservative. Maybe that's why.

Population/representation is on the West side. Case law has interpreted the WA constitution to not allow an income tax which is a big reason for lower taxes. Despite no income tax, their overall tax are only slightly better than Utah.

Washington is super weird-really progressive with a strong social safety net, but the most regressive taxes in the union. I'm moving there for work, but the place confuses the hell out of me.

Yep, very regressive, but the state constitution is a big reason for that. Where are you moving to in WA?


As far as Conley, I hope it doesn't happen unless it is Rubio, a pick and filler. I don't think he is worth what we get out of Favors. And adding Exum on top is too rich.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Go big or go home. Get Kyrie Irving in Utah. Give them whatever they want short of donny, ingles and Gobert. But make it happen.


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Please "go home".

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

You have to be a bit of a savage to be an effective GM. Sometimes I think The Jazz FO falls in love with their own players a bit too much or believes their own "team is everything" propaganda.

He's just so good and burns less bridges than guys like Ainge.

 

[David Stern]

The fact that UTA/MEM are still talking after several days and the fact Utah upped their offer suggest that both sides want a deal to happen.

They're just shaking each other down til the last.

According to the reporting by Tony, it seems like we've upped our offer by adding a 2nd round pick. Memphis is beginning to piss me off because it seems like they're being unreasonable... leaking stuff like "two first rounders for Conley is fair!" when literally nobody in the NBA is going to give them that.

 

[infection]

If you trade Exum for Mirotic, you both get a player that gives you something you desperately need (a consistent starter at the 4 that can shoot*) and it's a stealth salary-dump. You'd probably have to throw in a 2nd. Why on earth would NOP keep Mirotic at this stage, and with the Sixers blowing their load for Harris, how are they competition at this point?

Same thing could be said in a deal for Jabari. I haven't done a deep dig on Chicago's cap situation or have any idea what their plan is, but I'd be happy to give the guy a whirl to at least see if it could work.

Bjelica is probably a pipe-dream, but I the fit is still a little weird given Bagley and the timeline with them.

I'd trade Exum for any of those guys.

 

[NUMBERICA]

could we find something for 10m that is as useful?

We could find something more useful with $10 million while sleepwalking.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If you trade Exum for Mirotic, you both get a player that gives you something you desperately need (a consistent starter at the 4 that can shoot*) and it's a stealth salary-dump. You'd probably have to throw in a 2nd. Why on earth would NOP keep Mirotic at this stage, and with the Sixers blowing their load for Harris, how are they competition at this point?

Same thing could be said in a deal for Jabari. I haven't done a deep dig on Chicago's cap situation or have any idea what their plan is, but I'd be happy to give the guy a whirl to at least see if it could work.

Bjelica is probably a pipe-dream, but I the fit is still a little weird given Bagley and the timeline with them.

There are some three team scenarios where we could snake bjelica.

Bobby Marks said the price on Niko and Randle is a first right now... also said he doesn't think they get it. We can offer some savings and seconds and its probably pretty competitive. Exum for Niko straight up is pretty fair I think.

 

[infection]

There are some three team scenarios where we could snake bjelica.

Bobby Marks said the price on Niko and Randle is a first right now... also said he doesn't think they get it. We can offer some savings and seconds and its probably pretty competitive. Exum for Niko straight up is pretty fair I think.

Exum for Niko and I crown DL EOTY. Not just for landing Niko, but showing the fortitude to deal Exum and all his "potential" for a "lesser" known quantity.

 

[David Stern]

There are some three team scenarios where we could snake bjelica.

Bobby Marks said the price on Niko and Randle is a first right now... also said he doesn't think they get it. We can offer some savings and seconds and its probably pretty competitive. Exum for Niko straight up is pretty fair I think.

Idk, I might trade them the 2019 first plus Thabo and Ekpe for Niko. That seems like a DL type move to me.

 

[Sneakers]

FYI, reporting on Conley not wanting to Utah appears to have to do with wanting to go to the Eastern Conference (and be in all star contention) rather than anything personal with Utah...

 

[NUMBERICA]

FYI, reporting on Conley not wanting to Utah appears to have to do with wanting to go to the Eastern Conference (and be in all star contention) rather than anything personal with Utah...

Where is all this being reported?