Gamethread: Jazz @ Suns. 8 PST

[fishonjazz]

Have we ever had a player that you thought, "He is generally inept... but I like him"? If so, please elaborate.

Fes?
Haffa arujo?

 

[fishonjazz]

How can you expect him to get comfortable, confident, or in any sort of rhythm with the sort of short lease and spotty minutes he's been getting? Rubio is just more reliable. Reliably bad, but still reliable. It gives me flashbacks to the Corbin era.

Look at the 4th quarter. Exum enters the game at 11:33 remaining and gets yanked at 8:55. He then re-enters the game for the final 2 minutes of garbage time. He entered the game at 2:00 remaining in the 1st quarter and got pulled with 9:30 remaining in the 2nd. He's literally playing in 2 minute stretches.

He doesnt typically play 2 minute stretches though. He did tonight because he was ****ing up too much and the jazz needed to win this game.


Sent from my iPad using JazzFanz mobile app

 

[fishonjazz]

In the 11 games prior to Exum rolling his ankle (starting with Miami on Dec. 12th when he began receiving consistent minutes and was healthy), his per 36 stats:

pts ast trb fg fga fg3 fga3 ft fta stl to ast/to fg%
18.06 7.91 3.44 6.88 14.45 1.20 3.10 3.10 3.10 0.86 2.58 3.07 47.62
3pt% ft%
38.89 100.00

He was playing really, really well.

edit: Since my wonderful whitespace was stripped from above, let me just type this out: Exum was averaging (per 36) 18 pts and 8 asts on 47.6% fg shooting and 39% 3pt shooting with an ast/to ratio over 3 in those 11 games. He was actually playing 19 minutes a night.

During that stretch that he was playing really well was he playing in 2 minute stretches only?


Sent from my iPad using JazzFanz mobile app

 

[fishonjazz]

Oliver Miller for sure... tractor traylor was big and got bigger... current bryon Russell is the fatest of them all.

Kemp got pretty chubby

He also gave me plenty of chubbies from his vicious dunks though. So at least there’s that

Sent from my iPad using JazzFanz mobile app

 

[fishonjazz]

If Mudiay or Frankie Nik could get to the rim like Exum then sure, do it yesterday. But they cant... so what are you talking about?


Edit.

Im not sure how you find rhythm in 3minute bursts while rarely running the offense.

It isnt so much about finding rythym last night, it was about not completely ****ing up so bad that the jazz were gonna lose.

Typically i want exum to play over rubio and neto but last night he was playing so bad he might have cost us the game.


Sent from my iPad using JazzFanz mobile app

 

[fishonjazz]

Sad bit is the dude could actually play

Damn. He definitely the fattest


Sent from my iPad using JazzFanz mobile app

 

[RRJazz]

This franchise should change its name to the Utah Exums.
Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum

 

[LoPo]

This franchise should change its name to the Utah Exums.
Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum Exum

Yep. We win and thankfully nothing racist happened so we go right back to our usual debate over our backup PG who makes less than $10 million.

I wonder who everybody is going to cry about when Exum leaves. We going to re-sign CJ Miles or will everyone just turn on Korver?

 

[jope]

Yep. We win and thankfully nothing racist happened so we go right back to our usual debate over our backup PG who makes less than $10 million.

I wonder who everybody is going to cry about when Exum leaves. We going to re-sign CJ Miles or will everyone just turn on Korver?

When exum leaves I just hope we don’t sink nearly $50 million and fill a key rotation spot for 7 years on a career 6/2/2 player who can barely break 40% fg and 29% from 3, and can’t even play 60 games a season.

All the players exum compares to were cut from the nba within a season or two.

 

[yamers]

When exum leaves I just hope we don’t sink nearly $50 million and fill a key rotation spot for 7 years on a career 6/2/2 player who can barely break 40% fg and 29% from 3, and can’t even play 60 games a season.

All the players exum compares to were cut from the nba within a season or two.

View attachment 6924

Really surprised dl didnt pull the trigger on the exum conley deal.

What was the deal? Exum and a first?

 

[LoPo]

When exum leaves I just hope we don’t sink nearly $50 million and fill a key rotation spot for 7 years on a career 6/2/2 player who can barely break 40% fg and 29% from 3, and can’t even play 60 games a season.

All the players exum compares to were cut from the nba within a season or two.

View attachment 6924

Including this year, Dante has been paid $25.93 million in his career. So over 5 years, he has made an average of $5.2 million. https://www.spotrac.com/nba/utah-jazz/dante-exum-15357/cash-earnings/

I'm disappointed in his injuries and his lack of development, but the amount of grief he gets is just ridiculous. For example, Thabo has made more than $5.2 million the last two years to provide less than what Exum has provided. Exum's contract has never kept us from other goals.

Like I have said in other threads; if Exum doesn't perform to his contract next season, dump on the guy. I will personally be much more critical of him next year when his contract can actually get in the way of team goals should he disappoint.

 

[Ellipse]

At the risk of sounding sexist or offensive, I noticed her and found her attractive.

I hope I didn't go to far with that comment.

Sent from my ONEPLUS A6013 using JazzFanz mobile app

20 years from now, she will report you for sexual harassment.

 

[jope]

Including this year, Dante has been paid $25.93 million in his career. So over 5 years, he has made an average of $5.2 million. https://www.spotrac.com/nba/utah-jazz/dante-exum-15357/cash-earnings/

I'm disappointed in his injuries and his lack of development, but the amount of grief he gets is just ridiculous. For example, Thabo has made more than $5.2 million the last two years to provide less than what Exum has provided. Exum's contract has never kept us from other goals.

Like I have said in other threads; if Exum doesn't perform to his contract next season, dump on the guy. I will personally be much more critical of him next year when his contract can actually get in the way of team goals should he disappoint.

Nearly Every rookie gets a deal like the “averaged 5.2 million” thing. We made the choice to give him 30 million more than his rookie deal, and have committed to paying a dud nearly $50M. If he could stay healthy, maybe. If he could shoot, maybe. If he could even dribble, maybe.

Many of us though it was a big mistake to outbid ourselves and overpay an up-to-that-point terrible, injury riddled player. That’s why you’re going to see the level of resentment. Instead of bolstering the team, Dennis outbid himself and hurt the team.

 

[fishonjazz]

Really surprised dl didnt pull the trigger on the exum conley deal.

What was the deal? Exum and a first?

No one knows.
I got the feeling it was Exum, rubio, and a first but some think there was another first involved and some think favors was part of the deal.

Sent from my ONEPLUS A6013 using JazzFanz mobile app

 

[jope]

Including this year, Dante has been paid $25.93 million in his career. So over 5 years, he has made an average of $5.2 million. https://www.spotrac.com/nba/utah-jazz/dante-exum-15357/cash-earnings/

I'm disappointed in his injuries and his lack of development, but the amount of grief he gets is just ridiculous. For example, Thabo has made more than $5.2 million the last two years to provide less than what Exum has provided. Exum's contract has never kept us from other goals.

Like I have said in other threads; if Exum doesn't perform to his contract next season, dump on the guy. I will personally be much more critical of him next year when his contract can actually get in the way of team goals should he disappoint.

Also, he’s getting in the way of our goals right now. That salary/rotation spot should be filled by a good 6th man. Or someone who can score In a secondary role. Instead it’s taken by a guy who can’t shoot, can’t dribble, and can’t stay healthy. People are going to resent, until he somehow shuts us up by not playing like a dleaguer.

 

[fishonjazz]

Including this year, Dante has been paid $25.93 million in his career. So over 5 years, he has made an average of $5.2 million. https://www.spotrac.com/nba/utah-jazz/dante-exum-15357/cash-earnings/

I'm disappointed in his injuries and his lack of development, but the amount of grief he gets is just ridiculous. For example, Thabo has made more than $5.2 million the last two years to provide less than what Exum has provided. Exum's contract has never kept us from other goals.

Like I have said in other threads; if Exum doesn't perform to his contract next season, dump on the guy. I will personally be much more critical of him next year when his contract can actually get in the way of team goals should he disappoint.

So you will bash him in the future if and when he sucks. Some of us are just choosing to do it while he is currently sucking. I don't see a big difference here. You are basically saying "guys, don't criticize Exum until I tell you it's ok to criticize exum, then go right ahead at that point". Kinda arrogant of you imo

Also, when I watch jazz games thabo is providing more than X. Like last night. iirc thabo leads the team in 3 point %. Also iirc thabo has a 15 year career of history of contributing to teams. Not contributing greatly or anything but better than X still.

Sent from my ONEPLUS A6013 using JazzFanz mobile app

 

[LoPo]

Also, he’s getting in the way of our goals right now. That salary/rotation spot should be filled by a good 6th man. Or someone who can score In a secondary role. Instead it’s taken by a guy who can’t shoot, can’t dribble, and can’t stay healthy. People are going to resent, until he somehow shuts us up by not playing like a dleaguer.

And @fishonjazz I have been over this at length in the other thread but...

The first day of free agency last year, we picked up Thabo's $5 million option and we offered Favors $15+. So we were out of cap space at that point. Signing Exum was something we could do since we had his Bird Rights. If we wouldn't have signed Exum, we were still limited to the exact same exceptions. So why not re-sign a guy we still have faith he can use his great defense and athleticism to improve? Even after signing him, we were far under the luxury limit. Instead of using exceptions, we decided to pick up Udoh's option and sign Niang rather than go after more ambitious targets.

So my point being - his salary through 5 years hasn't gotten in the way of anything. We have had cap space numerous times in the last 5 years. We haven't really risked the luxury due to his contract in the last 5 years. So the argument over his salary keeping us from anything is completely bogus.

His roster spot could be debatable, but we had the opportunity to add other PG's last year and this year, and only added Naz and Stockton.

 

[fishonjazz]

And @fishonjazz I have been over this at length in the other thread but...

The first day of free agency last year, we picked up Thabo's $5 million option and we offered Favors $15+. So we were out of cap space at that point. Signing Exum was something we could do since we had his Bird Rights. If we wouldn't have signed Exum, we were still limited to the exact same exceptions. So why not re-sign a guy we still have faith he can use his great defense and athleticism to improve? Even after signing him, we were far under the luxury limit. Instead of using exceptions, we decided to pick up Udoh's option and sign Niang rather than go after more ambitious targets.

So my point being - his salary through 5 years hasn't gotten in the way of anything. We have had cap space numerous times in the last 5 years. We haven't really risked the luxury due to his contract in the last 5 years. So the argument over his salary keeping us from anything is completely bogus.

His roster spot could be debatable, but we had the opportunity to add other PG's last year and this year, and only added Naz and Stockton.

Look I don't really care. If a player is playing like **** then it's fine to talk about the player playing like ****. I don't give a **** about salaries or whatever. If a player is always hurt them it's ok to talk about how he is always hurt regardless of salary situation. No one has to wait until the date you decide on for it to be ok to discuss.

Come down from your high horse bro

Sent from my ONEPLUS A6013 using JazzFanz mobile app

 

[NUMBERICA]

So you will bash him in the future if and when he sucks. Some of us are just choosing to do it while he is currently sucking. I don't see a big difference here. You are basically saying "guys, don't criticize Exum until I tell you it's ok to criticize exum, then go right ahead at that point". Kinda arrogant of you imo

Also, when I watch jazz games thabo is providing more than X. Like last night. iirc thabo leads the team in 3 point %. Also iirc thabo has a 15 year career of history of contributing to teams. Not contributing greatly or anything but better than X still.

Sent from my ONEPLUS A6013 using JazzFanz mobile app

Thabo is an obviously better player than Exum. He’s also on his last legs as a player. Says a lot about Exum that someone is desperate to positively compare him to an old player coming off a significant knee injury and can’t even make the case.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Look I don't really care. If a player is playing like **** then it's fine to talk about the player playing like ****. I don't give a **** about salaries or whatever. If a player is always hurt them it's ok to talk about how he is always hurt regardless of salary situation. No one has to wait until the date you decide on for it to be ok to discuss.

Come down from your high horse bro

Sent from my ONEPLUS A6013 using JazzFanz mobile app

I also enjoy the... if he sucks next year then trade his ***... what team will want him... his only value in a trade is based on mystery and intrigue. If you remove that and replace it with "yeah this guy definitely isn't good or definitely is injury prone" then he's $10M of dead salary and a wasted roster spot.

There is still a glimmer of hope, but the crowd that sits there and says he should be allowed to play through his garbage play and he'd be good if he could play a ton of minutes (like garbage) need to sit down. Now ain't the time for that. If he was okay or just kinda bad then fine... but he was really bad at one point in the game there and wasn't doing anything else mildly productive.

We are so much better when Neto plays the point right now... wanna talk about fair? That MFer always shows up ready to play and executes what is needed on the court... even though he doesn't have the physical attributes that might allow him to be awesome... that dude deserves to play when healthy. He doesn't play scared he plays ready. Dante didn't look focused or ready... had no problem with them yanking him.