Gamethread: Jazz @ Suns. 8 PST

[LoPo]

LoPo the criticism against Dante is more than fair considering his contract, and resources we have poured into his development.

I agree he deserves criticism. I never said anything the contrary. I was just being hopeful we could enjoy an NBA road win instead of crying about some player who played only 9 minutes.

 

[LoPo]

Somehow Thabo put up as many win-shares last season, when he didn't even play half the games, as Exum has in his ENTIRE CAREER!

Yet another stat that doesn't really mean anything. There is no direct correlation between win shares and being an incredible player.

 

[LoPo]

I'm done with this pile of garbage conversation.

I'm really glad we won last night even if Exum played awful and fell on his face multiple times. I'm just very happy we won and are back to the 7 seed.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

I agree he deserves criticism. I never said anything the contrary. I was just being hopeful we could enjoy an NBA road win instead of crying about some player who played only 9 minutes.

 

[fishonjazz]

No **** Sherlock. Hell no it isn't same as everyone else. That's my entire point.

Thabo was a comparison for all those people saying Exum was wasted money. Thabo production < Exum production although Jazzfanz Childlike Crying Over Exum >>>>>>>>>> Any Questioning of Thabo.

It is the same as everyone else. There is kind of an unwritten formula for criticism. Obviously playing bad and how bad you play is a huge factor. Expectations factor in. Salary factors in. How long you have been playing bad for factors in. How often you play bad factors in. Minutes played factors in. Injuries factors in.

Fact is that Exum was drafted at #5, has high expectations, has played bad for a long long time, has had a bunch of injuries, signed a new decent sized contract, gets more minutes when healthy than neto, niang, udoh, Grayson, etc, plays bad often.....
Add all that up and he gets the correct amount of criticism. He checks a lot of criticism boxes. High expectations? Check. Drafted high? Check. Injuries? Check. Played bad for a lot of years? Check. Played bad often each year? Check. Got a new contract that his production doesn't justify? Check. Gets more minutes than a handful of other guys who don't play any worse than him and often play better? Check.
It's deserved. Criticism is kind of a compounding commodity. The more you play poorly and the worse you play and the longer time the bad play goes on and the higher your expections the more the criticism keeps compounding. Takes a lot of good play to change the reputation after a certain point. Rubio get a lot of criticism for the same reasons. Guys like udoh and thabo and Grayson don't get much because they have less of these criticizeable offenses going against them. Same for Rudy and Spida and Joe, etc etc.

Are you having a bad day?

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[fishonjazz]

Fish needs a snickers. Usually he doesn't come at me when all I'm trying to do is calm the pitchfork carrying keyboard warriors.

I know Exum has sucked in the two games back from injury. I also know Exum was excellent at times in December. I can be objective.

I also take more than a few games into account. I like to use as large a sample size as possible. I take the good games from X into account too when it comes to my criticism. There haven't been nearly enough of those to give the benefit of the doubt.

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[LoPo]

It is the same as everyone else. There is kind of an unwritten formula for criticism. Obviously playing bad and how bad you play is a huge factor. Expectations factor in. Salary factors in. How long you have been playing bad for factors in. How often you play bad factors in. Minutes played factors in. Injuries factors in.

Fact is that Exum was drafted at #5, has high expectations, has played bad for a long long time, has had a bunch of injuries, signed a new decent sized contract, gets more minutes when healthy than neto, niang, udoh, Grayson, etc, plays bad often.....
Add all that up and he gets the correct amount of criticism
It's deserved. Rubio get a lot of criticism for the same reasons. Guys like udoh and thabo and Grayson don't get much because they have less of these criticizeable offenses going against them. Same for Rudy and Spida and Joe, etc etc.

Are you having a bad day?

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I'm good man.

I used to be a guy who advocated for CJ Miles because I never thought he deserved the hate he got. I just need to learn to shut up and suck it up. I'm not gonna change any minds.

Its all good. Go Jazz.

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[fishonjazz]

I'm good man.

I used to be a guy who advocated for CJ Miles because I never thought he deserved the hate he got. I just need to learn to shut up and suck it up. I'm not gonna change any minds.

Its all good. Go Jazz.

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I liked CJ too. Perfect size, good athleticism, beautiful stroke. I don't get why he didn't pan out. I guess it was probably mentality and work ethic that did him in though I have no idea

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[fishonjazz]

One other thing on this topic:
Criticism could be looked at in a good way. Part of why X gets criticized do much and so hard is because I think most of us see him as part of the jazz future ability to succeed. See as a big piece of us reaching our potential as a team. So we are more passionate about him.

Thabo? He can suck or play good and I don't really care that much either way as I don't think his play, good or bad, will tip the scales of this team much either way.

Dante can have a bigger effect for better or worse imo. So the praise or criticism will be greater.

If he puts a great year together then we will all sing his praises more than we ever would with thabo.

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[jazzETX]

He needs a psychiatrist every time he rolls an ankle? Jesus Christ.

lol, exaggeration, but he clearly can't get better without time on the court. but quin doesn't have the time to be patient with him when they're competing for playoff seeding. Same reason why grayson is probably going to be on the stars until they complete their season unless someone else goes down.

 

[Deleted member 95]

You guys remember when it came out that Dante scored a Kobe in the psyche part of the draft process. Pretty hilarious now.

 

[fishonjazz]

@Alfalfa
We won last night with your lame *** gamethread. Make another lame *** gamethread for the game starting in 15 minutes please.

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