Jazz ban 2nd fan for calling Westbrook "boy"

[The Thriller]

The ironic thing is that because Utah is being scrutinized for being mostly white is in fact having a racist view.

Utah isn’t being scrutinized for being a mostly white crowd. We’re being scrutinized because we’ve had repeated incidents between players and fans. The players claim that racist epithets are being spoken to them by fans. It’s something to address regardless of the crowd’s makeup.

I know it might be hard for some of you to believe, but maybe our crowd is just louder and more racist/ignorant than others? Hell, this message board is proving this right now. People are openingly admitting that they didn’t know that calling a black person “boy” was racist. Good lord that’s naive.

 

[NAOS]

I would be interesting if ...

Stopped reading right here. I think you're probably terminally uninteresting.

 

[The Thriller]

No, it's not. Comparing people to a vacuum cleaner isn't racist. If you have any other questions, please let us all know.

Exactly.

People playing the stupid card seem to be desiring to excuse real racist language.

 

[fishonjazz]

Someone might come up to me and say "do you know (insert whatever name here)?" and i might answer with "Hell ya, he's my boy!"

 

[NAOS]

No, I'm saying if a fan now says, you suck to an opposing player and security hears will they get removed from the game or banned too?

smfh. No. ****.

 

[fishonjazz]

No, it's not. Comparing people to a vacuum cleaner isn't racist. If you have any other questions, please let us all know.

He didn't ask if its racist. He asked if its ok to say. More things suck than vacuum cleaners and someone could take it as a homophobic comment.

 

[The Thriller]

What if i said “atta boy burks! Great dunk bro!”
Offensive or not? I did call him boy in this scenario


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I wouldn’t call a black Person “boy” regardless of the context because I know the history behind it and how it might be interpreted by others.

 

[Keefe]

storm, just, uh, just, um, nevermind.

 

[The Thriller]

He didn't ask if its racist. He asked if its ok to say. More things suck that vacuum cleaners and someone could take it as a homophobic comment.

So if you’re worried about someone construing that as a homophobic slur, maybe dont say **** to the other team? Why do we feel the need to do that anyway? Shouldn’t we be like... I don’t know... cheering on our own team?

 

[fishonjazz]

I wouldn’t call a black Person “boy” regardless of the context because I know the history behind it and how it might be interpreted by others.

Thats good. Not everyone knows the history of it though right?

 

[NAOS]

My question in all of this: How many fans are gonna get lifetime bans when a particularly sensitive player points security at an annoying fan for being "mean" (without any evidence, or any actual racism/hate)? Is this gonna be exploited during playoff games to silence the crowd? Or is that just a paranoid idea?

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Let me guess.... you're also confused about how to flirt with people in the Me Too era? Like, the whole world is turned upside down, braugh?

This **** aint hard.

 

[fishonjazz]

So if you’re worried about someone construing that as a homophobic slur, maybe dont say **** to the other team? Why do we feel the need to do that anyway? Shouldn’t we be like... I don’t know... cheering on our own team?

Sure. so your answer to the posters question about whether or not you suck is something you can say at a game is different from naos answer. Naos thinks its perfectly fine cause you are just calling the player a vacuum cleaner. You on the other hand can see offense in the phrase.
Confusing

 

[The Thriller]

Thats good. Not everyone knows the history of it though right?

And that explains a lot. It’s pretty damn well known but obviously not here in utah. Which is why fans shouldn’t get all defensive for being labeled racists by players who know the historical significance of the insults that fans are ignorantly flinging their way.

Instead, I’ve seen a lot of fans on this board whining about being labeled as racist and are pretending that the PC crowd is squashing all speech.

 

[NAOS]

never knew calling a boy was a racist term for white people. very weird


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:banghead:
Please give us the names of everybody you've ever called "teacher". Thank you.

 

[fishonjazz]

And that explains a lot. It’s pretty damn well known but obviously not here in utah. Which is why fans shouldn’t get all defensive for being labeled racists by players who know the historical significance of the insults that fans are ignorantly flinging their way.

Instead, I’ve seen a lot of fans on this board whining about being labeled as racist and are pretending that the PC crowd is squashing all speech.

So in your mind if a fan from europe who knows nothing of the word boy being offensive said the word boy at a game and was banned for life from vivint and labeled a racist then he/she shouldn't be defensive?

 

[The Thriller]

Sure. so your answer to the posters question about whether or not you suck is something you can say at a game is different from naos answer. Naos thinks its perfectly fine cause you are just calling the player a vacuum cleaner. You on the other hand can see offense in the phrase.
Confusing

That’s not what I said. I’d have no problem saying that x player sucks. But I said, “if you fear” it being labeled as homophobic, then don’t say anything.

It’s not that hard.

And by pretending that now every word spoken at a game will be scrutinized seems like you’re playing dumb in order to excuse real homophobic and racist language.

Fans can’t have it both ways. They can’t get all defensive because nba players and to a certain extent, media, call them racist and then admit that they don’t know basic racist language from mainstream America.

 

[fishonjazz]

That’s not what I said. I’d have no problem saying that x player sucks. But I said, “if you fear” it being labeled as homophobic, then don’t say anything.

It’s not that hard.

And by pretending that now every word spoken at a game will be scrutinized seems like you’re playing dumb in order to excuse real homophobic and racist language.

Fans can’t have it both ways. They can’t get all defensive because nba players and to a certain extent, media, call them racist and then admit that they don’t know basic racist language from mainstream America.

What if you dont fear that the word you are using is offensive but it is offensive to someone and you have no idea about it? I like your plan of dont say anything. I alluded to that course of action earlier. We agree, the best action is silence.

 

[NAOS]

Welp, **** this thread.

There are a couple of people who've clearly defined themselves. "just trying to be reasonable guys!!... where does it all end???"

 

[LoPo]

Serious question...Are you dumb?

There are famous black parents whos kids are involved in this scandal too.

Look ************* - I'm talking about the perception. And it was just an example.

A person is smart, but people in groups can be dumb. The scandal is being covered like some rich white women celebrities bought kids into school. How it's being covered will piss off some poor people. It's another stoking of the fire.


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[cowhide]

And there lies the problem, not with white people, but with people who think racism has been institutionalized in our laws and culture.

In 2008, my former manager -- a white, male, BYU graduate -- said he voted for Obama "because he was black." I voted against Obama, not because he was black, but because I didn't agree with his policies. So, which one of us was being racist?

(Just to clarify, had Collen Powell been running for president, I would have gladly voted for him.)

I completely disagree with your premise, because racism will continue to exist until our actions are no longer based upon the color of one's skin. Acting like it doesn't is a nice place to start.

Ignoring the problem doesn't make it go away. In an ideal world everyone would treat people equally, unfortunately that doesn't happen. To answer your question who is racist?, I don't know if either of you are. Simply voting for some because of their race probable makes you racially bias but not a racist. Me cheering for John Stockton doesn't make me a racist but perhaps I unknowingly root for him because I can more easily identify with him because I am white. Don't see anything wrong with that but that isn't racism. If I think John Stockton is the best because he is white. That is racism.

You not voting for Obama doesn't make you racist but to ignore the fact that many white people voted against him because of his race is part of the problem. There were plenty of white males who simply voted against him because he was black. He was also treated differently because he was black. No president ever had his citizenship questioned, no president who just won the election had the leader of GOP stand on capital hill and say his number one goal was to make him a one term president. No president was called a liar during his state of union speech from a known Klan member. So when Trump does some of the things that the GOP criticized Obama for (executive orders) but ignore it when Trump does it. Is it just politics or a sign of racism? I could make an argument for both reasons.

As far as your comment about racism not being institutionalized, have you forgotten the 3/5 rule, slavery, Jim Crow laws, the Klan, lynchings, higher rate of imprisonment of blacks, voter id laws are based in racism. The problem is thinking there isn't collateral damage to society because of past actions of the racist government decisions. Pretending like the problem is people talking too much about racism or calling it out when the real problem is pretending the only way for it to go away is to ignore it.

The way it goes away is having discussions about how we treat people and teaching our children to be better than us. I am not optimistic because too many people love holding onto it and feel justified in acting that way. I am pretty sure it has no chance of getting better if we ignore it or pretend it doesn't exist.