Happy No Collusion Day Everyone

[Hotdog]

No I don't. If you remember that, you are remembering her sentence inaccurately. She referred to sexists, racists, homophobes, xenophobes, and Islamophobes as "deplorables", and say they made up about half of Trumps supporters (for those inclined to understand basic English, meaning the other half were none of the above). I was always amused at the people wearing the 'Deplorable" t-shirts; I wanted to ask them which sub-group they identified with.

Oh. Well you got me there. She only said half of the base was deplorables.

Do you really think you just made a valid point there?

If you realy feel there is a distinction there, then why dont you apply that to what Trump said about Mexico sending their rapists. He didnt say all of them were. In fact he clarified as much. He could have meant two people for all we know. Which would be a factual statement.

But yet, you and other lefties just say he meant everyone.

Do you see the double standard yet?

 

[Stoked]

Everyone around me thinks that I am, therefore I am.

So we must identify as what those around us think?

 

[One Brow]

If your colorlessness or particular shade of pigmentation is a social construct, you are a true liberal, I suppose.

He asked if I was white. He wasn't asking for my shade of pigmentation (even albinos are pinkish, so he knows my skin is not the color of an eggshell), he was asking for my race, which is a social construct.

But facts are not determined by opinions.

Since there are no facts that determine race, this is irrelevant.

 

[babe]

He asked if I was white. He wasn't asking for my shade of pigmentation (even albinos are pinkish, so he knows my skin is not the color of an eggshell), he was asking for my race, which is a social construct.



Since there are no facts that determine race, this is irrelevant.

If there are no facts that determine race, what possible facts then determine "racism"????

Are we playing word games again???/ oh goody.

determined political wonks never quit making up their own terms and working the folks with made-up issues......

 

[One Brow]

If you realy feel there is a distinction there, then why dont you apply that to what Trump said about Mexico sending their rapists.

Clinton was correct that you will see more of those five "isms" in Trump supporters. Trump is wrong in implying that Mexican immigrants are more likely to be rapists than either the Mexicans that stay in Mexico or the Americans already living here.

But yet, you and other lefties just say he meant everyone.

I have never said Trump meant every Mexican, and I have never read it. Where have you read this?

Do you see the double standard yet?

Yes, but not where you think I should.

 

[One Brow]

So we must identify as what those around us think?

Ask Rachel Dolezal .

You can identify as green. People will still treat you how they see you. I get all the benefits of being treated as white.

 

[One Brow]

If there are no facts that determine race, what possible facts then determine "racism"????

Differential treatment based on superficial characteristics that people imagine form a legitimate basis for characterization.

What fact do you think could determine a race?

 

[babe]

Differential treatment based on superficial characteristics that people imagine form a legitimate basis for characterization.

What fact do you think could determine a race?

speed.....

 

[One Brow]

speed.....

I will take that as joke.

 

[babe]

Differential treatment is called "judgment" and "choice". It is actually a human right.

Under our system of government, unlike Marxist governments and Progressive governments generally, and unlike dictatorships, tribal rule, caste systems, Kingdoms, fascism, and warlord rule...… Our Government is based on theories of inherent human rights to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness..... and our government is proscribed from denying individual rights including but not limited to those enumerated in the Bill of Rights.

We have a duty as citizens of this nation to protect individual rights, and our laws generally provide for "equal treatment under the law" for all individuals, regardless and even specifically considering any kind of office or status you could consider powerful.

The progressive era has amounted to a wholesale assault on these sorts of "liberties" in the name of endless categories of special cases allegedly deserving special treatment.....

I don't have to smile at you if you are green, or refrain from words you might be sensitive to. It might be inconsiderate or even hateful.... it might be a term of derogation, like "Climate Denier" or whatever, but as Jesus said.... I am what I am, and you are what you are. uhhhmmm…… some kinds of actions rise to a level we can legislate under law to protect us from one another in meaningful ways..... but virtue cannot be legislated. That is what some call an "establishment of religion".

btw.... I consider Marxism a religion. Some "religions" assert or impose laws or beliefs. I don't think Marxsim or any other Statist line of doctrine/propaganda/belief is compatible with our system of government..... which is intended to be a limited government that leaves us "free" to some maximum degree to make our own judgments and choices.....

Some religions may not posit the possibility of any independent or sovereign "God", but the effort to deny such possibilities always results in people making up some other kind of "god" possessing absolute authority. It could be "society", even.... but mostly it turns out to be some few honchos who acquire the power to do whatever they want.

Propaganda, "Statist" credos of any kind, are always imposed on the public by every kind of Honcho.

The best government ever has been our government..... as bad as it's been, with all the atrocities we've done.... it's still the best government humans have ever done.

 

[babe]

I will take that as joke.

hooray!!!!!! I mark that down as one thing you got right.....

 

[babe]

I will take that as joke.

In 1974 I had a newspaper opinion column and did a piece on racism, in the generic sense you have described above, and got a nomination/invitation to the International Platform Association. I was embarrassed that such an organization would like a wonk like me.... I mean.... I try so hard to be different....

But people are universally uncomfortable with the unfamiliar, and we like what we know. Treating people different, who seem different in some superficial but obvious way..... is just the way we are.

But that is no excuse for abusing anyone.