Real GM- The Accelerated Rebuild

[NUMBERICA]

I don't think it has to be a wing player, but it does have to be some kind of elite perimeter player that can make his own shot. I don't think Hayward can ever be THAT guy (even if he can be very helpful overall) while Burks has a very outside chance that he could. And he still has to learn to shoot with respectable distance.

 

[colton]

If only Utah treated Deron right when they traded him (e.g., him not hearing it first from ESPN), then they could re-sign him in a year with this fantastic young core and he could win a Championship. Deron Williams, Alec Burks, Gordon Hayward, Derrick Favors, Enes Kanter could be an impressive starting five, if everyone develops right. I'll keep dreaming about it.

No one knows the specifics of the new CBA, but the Jazz almost certainly will still be over the cap. So the only way they can re-sign Deron Williams is if he signs for the MLE. Not too likely.

 

[NUMBERICA]

No one knows the specifics of the new CBA, but the Jazz almost certainly will still be over the cap. So the only way they can re-sign Deron Williams is if he signs for the MLE. Not too likely.

Or if Deron opts in so he can get the most money that year and be "the guy" in 2013, which is also when Jefferson and Harris will be coming off the books.

 

[NAOS]

I don't think it has to be a wing player, but it does have to be some kind of elite perimeter player

I agree. That is what I meant. Thanks.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

I think the point was that we need a dominant wing player in order to contend. I agree.

Why can't we win with two good wings a dominant big, two other good bigs and a good point? Why does it have to be a stud wing? There's more than one way to win it all.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Doesn't have to be elite either. Terry isn't elite, he isn't even an All-Star. I think you just have to have a big time perimeter player, meaning someone who can hit big shots/is clutch. Hayward was that guy at Butler, he may eventually be able to become that for Utah.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Right now, Favors and Burks are really the upside of this team, although Kanter could have some nights where he just steamrolls some other teams' frontcourt.

If the Jazz could have come away with Derrick Williams and Donatas Montiejunas in that draft, they'd be on track to be contenders within a few years.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I would say the main upside of the team is the tandem of Favors and Kanter developing. With the West getting smaller, we could be in a good position to dominate like the Lakers did with Gasol/Bynum.

 

[Jeffrey32]

Who is going to be the Kevin Durant of this group?

Alec Burks or maybe it is a combination of Burks and Hayward that give the Jazz the one-two offensive punch on the wings.
Maybe that player comes in next year's draft, as that one has 8-10 guys who could be All Stars and the Jazz may again have 2 lottery picks, its own and the NJ/GSW pick

 

[Zulu]

When the Lakers won the first three championships with kobe and shaq, shaq was the dominate big and kobe was just the complimentary wing! I don't think kobe became a dominate wing until gasol came over! If favours can be our dominate big and hayward or burks be the complimentary wing this is when I believe we will be a full fledge contender!

 

[The Midnight]

I would say the main upside of the team is the tandem of Favors and Kanter developing. With the West getting smaller, we could be in a good position to dominate like the Lakers did with Gasol/Bynum.

Good to see you've warmed up to the idea of having the Kanter & Favors tandem.

I've certainly warmed up to the idea of a Hayward/Burks back court, provided Hayward can bulk up a bit during the off season.

I really like the sound of this:

Favors, a 6’10 250 athlete who can protect the rim and defend 4’s and 5’s, will handle the interior defense; Kanter, a 6’11 260 low-post scorer who can also step out and knock down 18-foot jumpers, will handle the front-court scoring. On the perimeter, Gordon Hayward, a 6’9 shooter, will create driving lanes for Alec Burks, a 6’6 slasher.

Good combination of Power & Finesse, Offense & Defense, Shooting & slashing (Hayward+Kanter & Favors+Burks).

Contrary to popular belief, I don't think we need to get another PG in next year's draft. I just think we need an experienced hand, a cool head at the point. May be a Fisher/Watson type player who could control the tempo of the game.

 

[infection]

Contrary to popular belief, I don't think we need to get another PG in next year's draft. I just think we need an experienced hand, a cool head at the point. May be a Fisher/Watson type player who could control the tempo of the game.

Mo Williams?

 

[NUMBERICA]

Doesn't have to be elite either. Terry isn't elite, he isn't even an All-Star. I think you just have to have a big time perimeter player, meaning someone who can hit big shots/is clutch. Hayward was that guy at Butler, he may eventually be able to become that for Utah.

In the case of the Mavericks, for all intents and purposes, Nowitski is a perimeter player offensively.

Again it doesn't have to be a wing, but you can shut down a player that has to work inside and doesn't excel at ballhandling. Stopping a guy that can hurt you anywhere and can handle the ball is really not possible if they get it going though.

 

[The Midnight]

Mo Williams?

Nooo... definitely not.

You know what I mean - a pass first veteran who can hit the occasional 3pt.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Jose Calderon. But you'd better be sure to have especially good D too since he's going to become a real problem on the defensive end as he ages.

 

[infection]

Nooo... definitely not.

You know what I mean - a pass first veteran who can hit the occasional 3pt.

Perhaps, but if we're relying on two other guys to do more of the distributing then a PG that can hit threes and score a bit would be nice. A reason I liked Jimmer (low maintenance).

 

[The Midnight]

I honestly think Watson would suffice.

He runs plays properly and is happy to. He showed at the end of last season that he can hit the occasional 3pt.

Jazz's offense (provided we run the same/similar offense), relies a lot on wing players making plays anyway.

He seems like the kind who a young team can gravitate towards as well.

 

[billyshelby]

Looking at past champions would conflict with that.

Dallas - Dirk (not really a wing but a hybrid F/C who plays a lot like a wing and can create his own shot from anywhere)
Lakers - Kobe
Boston - Allen, Pierce
SA - Ginobili Parker
Miami - Wade
Detroit - Billups Hamilton

This should probably be who the Jazz should be dangling Millsap/Jefferson/Okur/Harris/GSW pick for.

The problem with this list is there are hugely important big men without which these guys don't win titles.

Dallas -- Dirk was their big man. He's an enormous mismatch for 4's. Miami didn't even bother guarding him with Bosh (except when they paid for it)
Lakers -- Bynum, Gasol.
Boston -- No Way they beat the Lakers without Garnett.
SA -- Duncan
Miami -- Shaq (but definitely the weakest example)
Detroit -- They held teams to like 19 points. Rasheed and Wallace were enormous.

I completely get you're not saying a wing is all you need or that other guys aren't important. But when you've got 20 year old Favors and 19 year old Kanter, neither of whom have proven a thing, you don't just assume they'll both be great and trade established bigs. You wait to see what you've got.

 

[vslice02]

I completely get you're not saying a wing is all you need or that other guys aren't important. But when you've got 20 year old Favors and 19 year old Kanter, neither of whom have proven a thing, you don't just assume they'll both be great and trade established bigs. You wait to see what you've got.

This. If Favors and Kanter show the kind of development I hope this coming season, then a trade of either Jefferson or Millsap is definitely in the cards - but that's a trade you can make before all-star break (if Favors/Kanter demonstrate an accelerated progression) or more ideally during the 2012 draft (when hopefully Utah will also have an 8-14 G.S. pick at their disposal to either move up or find an established/high-quality wing.

And if something unexpected happens along the way (slow development, injuries, ect), then you've still got two legitimate NBA bigmen [Al & Sap] who can keep your team afloat so you're not just the league doormat.

 

[infection]

Regarding the above, I love Watson and think he has all the intangibles we'd look for in a 1. The only problem is his 3pt shot. Also, what's the knock on Calderon? I've always liked his game from what little I've seen and like his numbers, but whenever people speak of him it's that he's "not a starter". Also, I wouldn't mind a guy like Hinrich.