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Police shoot security guard who stopped a shooter

As always. Nobody recognizing the extremely tough job that cops have to. Everybody has an opinion about it, but nobody wants to do the job.

Go be a cop and come back and tell me how "nice" everyone is to you. And how "easy" it is to make "great" decisions in very tough situations.

Cops deal with tens of morons and psychos on a daily basis who refuse to cooperate. They see the ugly and scary side of people more often any of you do. They see more in a day than you see in a year. They are human beings. That takes a toll on them. They are going to make mistakes. They are going to be on edge. And no I dont want to hear that they shouldnt be a cop then. We both know thats your simpleton answer to this. Sorry, but this will happen to practically everyone. Dont believe. Then go try it yourself.

Its not a perfect system. But its the best we got right now. Its far better than the alternative which is chaos and anarchy. I wish you ingrates were a little more appreciative for what you have. But I guess being ingnorant is a byproduct having is so good.
 
NPC D4617 said:
As always. Nobody recognizing the extremely tough job that cops have to. Everybody has an opinion about it, but nobody wants to do the job.

Go be a cop and come back and tell me how "nice" everyone is to you. And how "easy" it is to make "great" decisions in very tough situations.

Cops deal with tens of morons and psychos on a daily basis who refuse to cooperate. They see the ugly and scary side of people more often any of you do. They see more in a day than you see in a year. They are human beings. That takes a toll on them. They are going to make mistakes. They are going to be on edge. And no I dont want to hear that they shouldnt be a cop then. We both know thats your simpleton answer to this. Sorry, but this will happen to practically everyone. Dont believe. Then go try it yourself.

Its not a perfect system. But its the best we got right now. Its far better than the alternative which is chaos and anarchy. I wish you ingrates were a little more appreciative for what you have. But I guess being ingnorant is a byproduct having is so good.
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I've seen the show Cops, I've watched the bodycam and cellphone footage from many of these encounters.

Is the job hard? Yeah, it is. Unnecessarily because of the ****ing civil war we are fighting against ourselves called the "drug war". A war that is intended to put minorities in prison and give them crippling criminal records so that they remain a sub-class in our society.

I want police who are PROFESSIONALS. That is not what I see in these videos. I see thugs with uniforms. I see people who have a chip on their shoulder and need people to (cue Cartman) "respect their authority."

I want police to be the most disciplined people in our society. I want them to be the Navy seals, the special forces, the most dedicated to fairness and duty. That's not what we have. We have uniformed gangs. That's what we have and it is disgusting.
 
I think it is unlikely that cops or soldiers will ever be our "best minds" or "best citizens", nor should we try to make it that. The people who will do work like that for average or below-average pay will be fairly ordinary humans. Do we want to take our great talented exceptional "stars" to be police, and pay them what they're worth in their areas of talent???

We do need systemic checks and balances that prevent our police from falsifying reports or "protecting their own", but we also need to recognize "good faith" mistakes in the line of service where there are circumstances that trigger the serious mistakes.

having a culture that glorifies armed citizenry is not such a great idea..... but it is better than having a culture that glorifies government officials and endows them with license to abrogate fundamental human rights.

We will always be far from perfect, but the people should be the fundamental authorities in society.... more powerful than the police or other administrators of governance.
 
Bulletproof said:
I've seen the show Cops, I've watched the bodycam and cellphone footage from many of these encounters.

Is the job hard? Yeah, it is. Unnecessarily because of the ****ing civil war we are fighting against ourselves called the "drug war". A war that is intended to put minorities in prison and give them crippling criminal records so that they remain a sub-class in our society.

I want police who are PROFESSIONALS. That is not what I see in these videos. I see thugs with uniforms. I see people who have a chip on their shoulder and need people to (cue Cartman) "respect their authority."

I want police to be the most disciplined people in our society. I want them to be the Navy seals, the special forces, the most dedicated to fairness and duty. That's not what we have. We have uniformed gangs. That's what we have and it is disgusting.
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Ya, and I want no more murders and rapes. Weird how just wanting something doesnt make it so.

Do you think that the person doing the hiring of cops has this plethora of choices ranging between navy seals and thugs? And the evil police chief picks the thugs because he wants to keep the minorities down?

Why don't you take some of your own medicine on conpsiracy theorists nut jobs and stop with your own conspiracy nonsense. Funny how you are the guy adamantly against conspiracies, but push the biggest conspiracy of them all.
 
NPC D4617 said:
As always. Nobody recognizing the extremely tough job that cops have to. Everybody has an opinion about it, but nobody wants to do the job.
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Are there that many open police positions? Last I heard, there were more applicants than jobs.

NPC D4617 said:
Go be a cop and come back and tell me how "nice" everyone is to you. And how "easy" it is to make "great" decisions in very tough situations.
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I don't think it's easy, but at a minimum, I think 'don't shoot people in a security jacket', 'don't shoot a guy because he has a gun in the glove box', 'don't shoot a kid', and 'dpn't shoot a customer in a store' should be the first reaction a police officer has to a call. Firing a gun may be necessary, but it should not be the first thing you do.

NPC D4617 said:
They are going to make mistakes.
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When they make mistakes that result in people dying, should they be tried the same way any ordinary citizen would?
 
One Brow said:
Are there that many open police positions? Last I heard, there were more applicants than jobs.



I don't think it's easy, but at a minimum, I think 'don't shoot people in a security jacket', 'don't shoot a guy because he has a gun in the glove box', 'don't shoot a kid', and 'dpn't shoot a customer in a store' should be the first reaction a police officer has to a call. Firing a gun may be necessary, but it should not be the first thing you do.



When they make mistakes that result in people dying, should they be tried the same way any ordinary citizen would?
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No I dont think they should tried the same as a citizen on a mistake. If its proven malicious intent then yes. Im all for body cams. These things should be a standard. Ive dealt with cops I didnt like either. But Id still rather have that then the gangsters running the town. So Im all for keeping rogue cops in check.

When the citizen wants to act like an *** an not cooperate I give a little less crap about them getting shot. The cop should not have to risk his own life waiting to see if you are pulling a gun or something else out your jacket or pockets. He should not have to put up with defiant citizens. Otherwise, deal with consequences of testing a normal human being who is on edge already and has no idea of your intentions. I dont feel sorry for these people. You have it coming. Argue your case in court. Not on the street with the cop.

Again, not a perfect system. But necessary. Anyone who thinks we would all just get along just fine with no cops and no laws is a moron, and doesn't have any understanding of what humans are capable of. Those people live in a fantasy bubble.

Cops cannot be trained and expected to make perfect decisions. Its just not going to happen. Again, think you can do better? Show me. Dont tell me.
 
NPC D4617 said:
No I dont think they should tried the same as a citizen on a mistake. If its proven malicious intent then yes. Im all for body cams. These things should be a standard. Ive dealt with cops I didnt like either. But Id still rather have that then the gangsters running the town. So Im all for keeping rogue cops in check.
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So, the police use a no-knock warrant to enter a home, and shoot a guy using a cell phone, the police don't suffer consequences. The home owner, possibly not knowing they are police, shoots one of them and is tried for the maximum possible crime, and you are OK with this?

Do the police have difficult jobs? Yes. They also have training. The reason we allow them latitude is that they are supposed to be trained how to raid a house with a minimum of injury, trained to deescalate, etc. Instead, you want them to be able to declare open season on citizens as long as it is not malicious.

NPC D4617 said:
When the citizen wants to act like an *** an not cooperate I give a little less crap about them getting shot.
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You may not have realized this, but I mentioned four specific cases where citizens where shot before they had a chance to cooperate or while cooperating. You don't seem to care about them, either.

Still, it's interesting that you are OK with disobeying the police being a capital crime. Says a lot about you.

NPC D4617 said:
Cops cannot be trained and expected to make perfect decisions.
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Can they be trained well enough that we can hold them to a higher standard than untrained citizens?
 
One Brow said:
Are there that many open police positions? Last I heard, there were more applicants than jobs.
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I work in law enforcement, and I know that my department struggles to get enough qualified applicants. Honestly, I don't know why anyone would want the job. It's a tough gig for not enough pay. Because of that, it means that often you get people on the job who get off on the power and authority.

I do think law enforcement needs to be held accountable for errors made, especially when taking a life. I work in accounting, and I would be held accountable for big errors made - and it is just money.
 
One Brow said:
Are there that many open police positions? Last I heard, there were more applicants than jobs.



I don't think it's easy, but at a minimum, I think 'don't shoot people in a security jacket', 'don't shoot a guy because he has a gun in the glove box', 'don't shoot a kid', and 'dpn't shoot a customer in a store' should be the first reaction a police officer has to a call. Firing a gun may be necessary, but it should not be the first thing you do.



When they make mistakes that result in people dying, should they be tried the same way any ordinary citizen would?
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"Don't shoot someone 25 times who is sleeping in their car."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-found-sleeping-car-killed-police/2867389002/
 
gandalfe said:
"Don't shoot someone 25 times who is sleeping in their car."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-found-sleeping-car-killed-police/2867389002/
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Just read that. Overkill for sure. However why did the guy have a hand gun in his lap, why did he reach for it or even make a motion like they, why did he sit in a drive through and fall asleep? Lots of questions with this one. Still did it really take 6 cops more or less emptying their guns after blocking the guy in to make them feel safe?
 
One Brow said:
The officer is on administrative leave, and a lawsuit is being filed. I would not expect charges to be pressed, you have to fairly egregious to have charges pressed against you as an officer on duty.
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I stand by this.
 
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