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So far I like Buttigieg. Warren has actually started growing on me a little, too.

Pretty big no on Sanders and Biden.

I'm in wait and see mode on the rest of the field.
 
Biden seems to get under Trump's skin more then the other announced candidates. When Biden started out by criticizing Trump's Charlottesville "good people on both sides" remarks, Trump took the bait and claimed his remarks were "perfect" and that he was referring to people defending the Robert Lee statue, and not the neo-Nazis chanting "Jews will not replace us". And he said everybody knew that. Except they didn't know that at all, and he was referring to the neo-Nazis.

It's been clear for awhile now, IMO, that Biden worries Trump more then any of the other candidates. I think Trump understands that Biden can cut into Trump's working class support in the states Trump turned red in 2016.

When the International Association of Firefighters gave a full throated endorsement of Biden, Trump went into tweetstorm mode again. Justified or not, Biden worries Trump. I think Trump would prefer a candidate he can use socialism as a sledgehammer against in the general election.

Also telling is that reports indicate the DHS, when communicating with Trump himself, stays away from the topic of Russian interference in the 2020 election. That one cannot raise the issue with Trump because it affects his ego. So, he is not exactly into cybersecurity and the 2020 election, despite taking an oath to protect and defend.


https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/commentary/2019/04/30/jennifer-rubin-how-biden/

"I'll never get the support of Dues Crazy union leadership, those people who rip-off their membership with ridiculously high dues, medical and other expenses while being paid a fortune. But the members love Trump," one tweet said.

"The Dues Sucking firefighters leadership will always support Democrats, even though the membership wants me," read another a few minutes later. "Some things never change!"
 
I care about a candidate who can BEAT Trump more than one that gets under his skin.

I don't think Biden can excite Democratic voters. I worry on the other hand that someone who does excite hard core liberals will alienate too many other potential voters.

All in all, I'm 50/50 as to POS, completely unqualified, biggest idiot to hold the office getting re-elected. I think it's a real possibility. A really disgusting possibility.
 
Bulletproof said:
I care about a candidate who can BEAT Trump more than one that gets under his skin.

I don't think Biden can excite Democratic voters. I worry on the other hand that someone who does excite hard core liberals will alienate too many other potential voters.

All in all, I'm 50/50 as to POS, completely unqualified, biggest idiot to hold the office getting re-elected. I think it's a real possibility. A really disgusting possibility.
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This.

Unfortunately I think it's the heavy over-reactions that will drive some of this. Supporters already feel fully justified in their choice, and many are now feeling the "I'm the one being attacked" BS he is laying down, generating almost a martyr vibe. That is extremely bad.
 
Bulletproof said:
I care about a candidate who can BEAT Trump more than one that gets under his skin.
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Believe me, the same here. I want the candidate with the best chance to beat Trump. And Trump, justified or not, thinks that candidate might be Biden. Maybe he would clobber Biden, I don't know. He is the incumbent, the economy seems to be on his side, and we can probably expect multiple state actors interfering this time around. So I suspect Trump will be tough to beat. We shall see....
 
People don’t have concerns over the ages of Trump, Biden, and Sanders?

I guess in a country so stupid and intellectually lazy that we deny the benefits of vaccines, ignoring the obvious just makes sense.

This job is the hardest in the world. We’re entering some pretty precarious times with Russian and Chinese nationalism on the rise. Why aren’t the pressures of the presidency and their advanced ages more of a concern?
 
The Thriller said:
People don’t have concerns over the ages of Trump, Biden, and Sanders?

I guess in a country so stupid and intellectually lazy that we deny the benefits of vaccines, ignoring the obvious just makes sense.

This job is the hardest in the world. We’re entering some pretty precarious times with Russian and Chinese nationalism on the rise. Why aren’t the pressures of the presidency and their advanced ages more of a concern?
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Biden's age is definitely a factor in me not wanting him to be the Democratic nominee. Not the only factor, but it is a factor.

Sanders is age and general lack of realistic ideas. He would get NOTHING done as President. He's not the right guy for the job for a lot of reasons.

But you know, Warren isn't likable enough... Because that's how we decide who should be President.
 
Bulletproof said:
So far I like Buttigieg. Warren has actually started growing on me a little, too.

Pretty big no on Sanders and Biden.

I'm in wait and see mode on the rest of the field.
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I love Warren. She’s the smartest of the candidates policy-wise. Whether the media will give her a chance is another question. Cable news seems obsessed with labeling Warren, “too Hillary-like.” Which is absurd.

The challenge for democrats is how best to excite their base?

I’m not a Bernie bot. Beto is way too Green. I like Warren. Biden is meh and I think his record on civil rights and women could backfire. But democrats need to play to their base and try to overwhelm Trump’s base. We know republicans will vote in 2020 because their entire outrage machine will be geared to stir them to anger. Will democrats provide them with a candidate, like another Obama, to get excited over? Who is that candidate?
 
Bulletproof said:
Biden's age is definitely a factor in me not wanting him to be the Democratic nominee. Not the only factor, but it is a factor.

Sanders is age and general lack of realistic ideas. He would get NOTHING done as President. He's not the right guy for the job for a lot of reasons.

But you know, Warren isn't likable enough... Because that's how we decide who should be President.
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Good post. I like how Sanders has brought economic issues to the forefront. But I’m not a fan of his “plans” if you can even call them that. They’re not realistic. Even less when you consider that republicans will still hold the senate in 2020.

It’s not just Biden’s age but Trump’s and Sander’s too. These dudes are old! The job is tough on people. Bush and Obama seemed to age 30 years in their two terms each. Watch this interview and tell me whether Trump has lost a step or two:



He even uses complete sentences for crying out loud! Crazy
 
Democrats need a candidate who will excite their base. Unless I’m mistaken, their base is more urban population centers, minorities, and women.

I say forget trying to win over Joe Sixpack at some rural Pennsylvania diner. The rural white non-college voter is gone. I might even agree that white suburban voter is gone too (and this is coming from a white male from the burbs). Sadly, for a variety of reasons, many whites in the burbs aren’t open about voting democratic unless they already have a history with the party.

Focus on the base and try to “out flood” Trump.
 
The Thriller said:
I love Warren. She’s the smartest of the candidates policy-wise. Whether the media will give her a chance is another question. Cable news seems obsessed with labeling Warren, “too Hillary-like.” Which is absurd.
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She's probably a lil more than 1/1024 like Hillary which is still absurd to compare.
 
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