What's new
By:

2020 Presidential election

Alfalfa said:
I heard that story before. I don't buy it. Trump is part of a larger worldwide pattern of anti-immigration sentiment and nationalism. It isn't because she alienated anyone. It's not like someone went "did she just call me deplorable?? I'm definitely voting for that ***** grabbing guy!". Things are more complicated than that.
Click to expand...

This.

And Russian disinformation campaigns are wrecking havoc on free societies. Brexit is the result of Russian disinformation. France, Poland, Italy, and Ukraine are all feeling the effects of Russian meddling.

We’re seeing huge shifts in our societies driven by the loss of manufacturing in Western Europe and America and immigration. Every time this happens we see a backlash of right wing nativists. But this discord is being exploited by Russia.
 
framer said:
This is faulty. You are lumping in the gender studies graduates with useful degrees and saddling the plumbers and electricians with high school dropouts. Does the average gender studies graduate, working in their field, make more than the average trade worker?
Click to expand...

My observation is just as true when you compare college degrees to those with high school diplomas.

Before I can answer further, what does "working in their field" mean? Is an HR representative working in the field of gender studies? A salesperson? Are you limiting this to college professors?

One point I have been making is the value of general education in employment. Gender studies is a broadly-based degree that looks at many different fields.
 
If people want good paying jobs with lots of availability, agriculture says hello! For anybody somewhat science minded, it's a great field with a lot of options.

You'll never find anybody campaign for trade schools like me. They're guaranteed jobs, if you're good. And they're always looking! You can work anywhere. Go be an electrician, a welder, a plumber, a machinist. You can do really cool things! Shop classes and home ec classes are so, so, so important for HS and I feel like they're going away. It's a shame.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
I teach 9th grade at-risk kids and our district shoves college down the kids’ throats. It’s pathetic. The town is 95% Hispanic, poor, and the kids are far better off learning life/character skills and developing actual trade skills. Become an electrician, mechanic, plumber, welder, etc. There’s a growing need for such jobs. I tell my kids, “The district is dumb. If you want to go to college and are prepared, do it. On average, you’ll make more money than someone who didn’t go to college. But that doesn’t mean it’s right for you or that you can’t make good money or be happy not gong to college. If you’d rather do a trade, do that. Work hard in high school so you have options and then make an informed decision that’s best for you, not these ******* administrators who just care about manipulating data.”
Click to expand...

I'm all about the trade school route in today's environment. My son is graduating HS this year and He'll be going straight to a trade school so he can actually be a productive citizen and provide for himself. He's excited, I'm excited, win-win.
 
I think we seriously under-value trades in America. For a lot of people that is the best option, and frankly we really need skilled trades-people. I really like the approach they take in Germany, where there are several tracks you can take in high school that leads to a trade or to college. Neither one precludes the other, but they are very successful in setting up kids for success in either route, and it benefits society as a whole. And college is generally free. It's an effective system.
 
College is generally "free?" But isn't that socialism? Nothing is ever "free."

I'm fine with more people focusing on trade schools and fewer focusing on college just as long as we maintain strong regulation on licenses and certifications. There's been a push in some states to deregulate the trades because the magical free market will rid the nation of poor plumbers and electricians. Instead, this works to suppress the wages of skilled laborers.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Share this page
Back
Top