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Will You Accept the Findings of the Muller Probe?

Will You Accept the Findings of the Muller Probe?

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NPC D4617 said:
All the facts are out.
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The facts are not out. Objectively, actually, literally. They aren't. Trump is doing everything he can get away with to keep it that way. Congress doesn't even have a full copy of the Mueller Report. Did you know that? Do you know what's actually happening?

I don't think this has any great consequence. The Republicans would never allow him to be removed from office (regardless of anything he's ever demonstrably done), and the Democrats probably don't have the stones to symbolically impeach him.
 
NUMBERICA said:
How is being a blundering idiot a defense? How is that a qualification for the most powerful job on earth? Why does that seemingly appeal to you?
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Because they have that trait in common

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One Brow said:
I'm unaware of the definition of "miss to the left" and "miss to the right". If you define them, perhaps I can find that.
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I'm pretty sure you know exactly what I mean and just don't want to answer it, but I'll be specific. CNN sometimes publishes stories that they later have to retract. Please show me examplse of stories they've had to retract because they either unjustly defamed people or institutions on the left, or stories where they have incorrectly praised people or institutions on the right. An example of a miss to the right would be the Covington High School debacle. Show me similar instances where they defamed the left.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
I'm pretty sure you know exactly what I mean and just don't want to answer it, but I'll be specific. CNN sometimes publishes stories that they later have to retract. Please show me examplse of stories they've had to retract because they either unjustly defamed people or institutions on the left, or stories where they have incorrectly praised people or institutions on the right. An example of a miss to the right would be the Covington High School debacle. Show me similar instances where they defamed the left.
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You mean, like the story they changed about how Maduro actually was the legitimate, elected President of Venezuela?

I normally don't pay attention to errors of CNN, so it may be that the only time this decade they made a mistake in that direct was this one lone article, and that it was purest coincidence it came to light just after you made this request.

Or, it could be that, regularly, I see complaints from various left-wing bloggers about CNN coverage, and this just happened to be the latest one. I'll let you decide which better fits your life view.
 
NPC D4617 said:
Jim Jordan roasting Democrats

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Do you have a voice, do you actually know anything about what's happening? Or are you just a very poor echo-chamber?

What are the concerns with sharing the report with the Judiciary Committee? I'm not talking about the public at large, I'm talking about members of Congress. The government itself.

Put more simply, Trump is blocking the release of a document that "totally exonerates" him. Sounds like it doesn't do that.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Find a source that isn't Fox news. Do you have a voice, do you actually know anything about what's happening? Or are you just a very poor echo-chamber?
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Whats wrong with Fox News? They are a legitimate news source. What difference does it make if I post Fox News or CNN and Washington Post?
 
NUMBERICA said:
Do you have a voice, do you actually know anything about what's happening? Or are you just a very poor echo-chamber?

What are the concerns with sharing the report with the Judiciary Committee? I'm not talking about the public at large, I'm talking about members of Congress. The government itself.

Put more simply, Trump is blocking the release of a document that "totally exonerates" him. Sounds like it doesn't do that.
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The report has already been shared with minimal redactions required by law. What the Democrats are doing is demanding Barr break the law.

Its more political games and it isnt going to work.

If the evidence was so damning against Trump that he was colluding with the Russians why isnt any evidence of that in the 99% of the report that they can see? Ooooh. Its gonna be in that little 1% that gets him.

This is just more political games to keep stringing a long their dumb base. Its already been said why certain parts have to be redacted. Go look it up. Stop repeating what they are telling you. Its not the truth.

Trump is asserting executive privilege because he has to to hold up the law the Democrats are trying to break.
 
NPC D4617 said:
I dont see your answer to that. Honestly. Could you post it again?
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NUMBERICA said:
The truth is the enemy of the right-wing, so it can appear to a person that isn't good at identifying the truth that real(er) journalism appears more "left".

We live in an age where our beliefs increasingly dictate what the truth is when it should be the other way around, the right-wing isn't unique to this. But Fox news and talk-radio has no interest in the truth, and giving equal footing to Fox/talk radio and real journalism is a disservice to both the truth and to society.

I suggest using NPR, PBS, and the BBC if you find CNN and MSNBC too partisan. On that note, news shouldn't be beholden to profits, it's an easily-identifiable conflict of interest, and if you have a non-profit form of news that reflects the views of the right-wing favorably, I'm happy to examine it.
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NPC D4617 said:
The report has already been shared with minimal redactions required by law. What the Democrats are doing is demanding Barr break the law.
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Nope. Executive privilege is exercised to go above the law.

The report is being stonewalled by Barr, a hand-picked Trump loyalist that was selected to put down the report. It was also redacted by Barr.

Give me one good reason that the findings shouldn’t be shared with the Judiciary Committee. Or anyone else in the entire government. I get why stuff is confidential to the public, but that’s not the topic at-hand.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Nope. Executive privilege is exercised to go above the law.

The report is being stonewalled by Barr, a hand-picked Trump loyalist that was selected to put down the report. It was also redacted by Barr.

Give me one good reason that the findings shouldn’t be shared with the Judiciary Committee. Or anyone else in the entire government. I get why stuff is confidential to the public, but that’s not the topic at-hand.
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It shouldn't be shared with "anyone else in the entire government" because of the propensity to leak things.

Here is why there are redactions.

"Attorney General William Barr redacted four types of information in the report: grand jury material, sensitive intelligence, matters that could affect ongoing investigations, and infringements on the privacy rights of “peripheral third parties.”

It isnt hard to understand why there are redactions and why the info shouldn't be shared with just anyone.


I mean seriously man. Do I really have to spell it out for you people? Are we just going to ring the fire alarm everytime the Democrats throw a fit? Does anyone here know why people in politics do what they do? Do you guys really think they tell the truth all the time? Dont you find it odd that only half the government is doing this?

Im telling you. This is all just a charade to run Trump through the ringer. He owes nothing to them, and doesnt have to help them do it. He can play his own games back and Im not mad at him for doing it.
 
One Brow said:
Going back to this, as an example, where CNN supports POTUS to the extent it invents an election to support POTUS's claim that Guaido was elected President of Venezuela, is that missing left or missing right?

https://news.antiwar.com/2019/05/06...elas-guaido-was-elected-president-in-january/
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I don't think it is correct to say that Trump has claimed Guido was elected as president. I've heard Trump make the claim that the national assembly, which Guido heads, is the only duly elected branch of the Venezuellan government, so maybe that is what you are referring to. Regardless, I'm not sure this is an issue of missing the facts either on the left or the right, but it is clearly a case of sloppy reporting.
 
One Brow said:
You mean, like the story they changed about how Maduro actually was the legitimate, elected President of Venezuela?

I normally don't pay attention to errors of CNN, so it may be that the only time this decade they made a mistake in that direct was this one lone article, and that it was purest coincidence it came to light just after you made this request.

Or, it could be that, regularly, I see complaints from various left-wing bloggers about CNN coverage, and this just happened to be the latest one. I'll let you decide which better fits your life view.
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You believe that you made your point that CNN is not left leaning by citing an article where CNN made a sloppy error on an issue that has bipartisan support in the US? For months CNN was licking the boots of Michael Avanatti, a low-life of the highest order, simply because he was an outspoken Trump hater. They presented him as an expert on Russia (which he is not) they gave credence to his claims that Brett Cavanaugh ran a rape ring (which has no basis), they touted him as a potential presidential candidate, and on and on. The liberal bias on CNN is obvious and blatant.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
You believe that you made your point that CNN is not left leaning by citing an article where CNN made a sloppy error on an issue that has bipartisan support in the US? For months CNN was licking the boots of Michael Avanatti, a low-life of the highest order, simply because he was an outspoken Trump hater. They presented him as an expert on Russia (which he is not) they gave credence to his claims that Brett Cavanaugh ran a rape ring (which has no basis), they touted him as a potential presidential candidate, and on and on. The liberal bias on CNN is obvious and blatant.
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Why do you read it?

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Joe Bagadonuts said:
You believe that you made your point that CNN is not left leaning by citing an article where CNN made a sloppy error on an issue that has bipartisan support in the US?
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So, when they invent an election out of thin air that hurts a far-left figure like Maduro, that's "sloppy", not anti-Maduro. Thank you for clarifying exactly how you interpret who has what sort of bias.
 
NPC D4617 said:
The report has already been shared with minimal redactions required by law. What the Democrats are doing is demanding Barr break the law.
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NPC D4617 said:
Trump is asserting executive privilege because he has to to hold up the law the Democrats are trying to break.
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You are wrong. The Republicans have been pushing the narrative that asking Barr to give the House Judiciary Committee the redacted grand jury material is asking Barr to break the law. But, it was clarified that the committee is not asking for the grand jury material at all. And the other three types of redacted material can be shared by Barr. The Democrats are in fact not asking Barr to break the law, and this brief excerpt clarifies that:

 
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