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Will You Accept the Findings of the Muller Probe?

Will You Accept the Findings of the Muller Probe?

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Joe Bagadonuts said:
You believe that you made your point that CNN is not left leaning by citing an article where CNN made a sloppy error on an issue that has bipartisan support in the US?
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So, when they invent an election out of thin air that hurts a far-left figure like Maduro, that's "sloppy", not anti-Maduro. Thank you for clarifying exactly how you interpret who has what sort of bias.
 
NPC D4617 said:
The report has already been shared with minimal redactions required by law. What the Democrats are doing is demanding Barr break the law.
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NPC D4617 said:
Trump is asserting executive privilege because he has to to hold up the law the Democrats are trying to break.
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You are wrong. The Republicans have been pushing the narrative that asking Barr to give the House Judiciary Committee the redacted grand jury material is asking Barr to break the law. But, it was clarified that the committee is not asking for the grand jury material at all. And the other three types of redacted material can be shared by Barr. The Democrats are in fact not asking Barr to break the law, and this brief excerpt clarifies that:

 
Red said:
You are wrong. The Republicans have been pushing the narrative that asking Barr to give the House Judiciary Committee the redacted grand jury material is asking Barr to break the law. But, it was clarified that the committee is not asking for the grand jury material at all. And the other three types of redacted material can be shared by Barr. The Democrats are in fact not asking Barr to break the law, and this brief excerpt clarifies that:

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Haha.

What?

How did that clarify anything?

Nadler didnt even know what they were asking for. The whole room had to help him remember, even right after they just said it. How in the world is that dude heading that committee?

I just watched that guy grill Candace Owens for thinking she called a member of the committee stupid when Candace clearly said another memeber thinks black people are stupid. I posted that video a bit ago on Jazzfanz. I dont think that even has his own wits about him. He doesnt seem to know whats going on half the time.

Can you explain to me what parts of the redactions should be unredacted, because that video did not explain it.
 
Good CNN article, that clarifies exactly where we are. Some here, who neither respect, nor can even comprehend our constitutional republic, are completly oblivious to all this. But, it is a fact that a good % of the American electorate, would be fine with this degree of authoritarianism, so no surprise how clueless some here truly are:

"Our forefathers must be turning in their graves," Panetta told CNN's Brianna Keilar. "Our forefathers were really clear that they didn't want power to be centralized in any one branch of government, particularly in a king or a president."

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/09/politics/donald-trump-constitution-jerry-nadler-democrats/index.html

Washington(CNN)The constitutional showdown between President Donald Trump and House Democrats is taking a grave new twist that threatens to embroil the nation in a deep political and legal nightmare that could last for years.

With almost every day that passes, Trump is providing a glimpse of how American government might look under a President who disdains the principles and pillars on which it is built.

His sweeping assertion of executive privilege over the entire Mueller report on Wednesday intensified the most serious standoff between Congress and the White House in decades and opened a hugely significant new battle over the nature of US democracy.....

......If anything, the stakes are now even more important than whether Trump obstructed justice during the Mueller investigation, or the contempt charge against Barr, which will have little practical effect on the attorney general's ability to function.

Those are issues that will expire with this administration in two or six years.

But Trump's refusal to comply with long traditions governing the relationship between Congress and the presidency cut to the core of American democracy and could change it for future generations.

The President's presumptive claim of executive privilege over the entire un-redacted Mueller report after Democrats had issued a subpoena demanding its handover goes further than his previous efforts to evade congressional oversight, crossing an important line.

If the gambit stands, it suggests a President can simply ignore the tools designed for Congress to check his power and examine his actions and he will face no significant sanction. Once this threshold is crossed there may be no going back for future administrations.....

......"It is hard to think of an example like that, that is as fundamental to the American Constitution, not only that Congress makes the laws and the president exercises them, but part of the legislative function is to exercise oversight.

"Without the subpoena power to compel oversight it is hard to know how they can even do the basics of their jobs," said Brettschneider, author of "The Oath and the Office: A Guide to the Constitution for Future Presidents."
 
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NPC D4617 said:
Trump is asserting executive privilege because he has to to hold up the law the Democrats are trying to break.
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...titutional-crisis-mueller-report-william-barr

"Laurence Tribe, a constitutional law professor at Harvard Law School, says: “This is more than minor fireworks. It’s a fundamental challenge to the structure of checks and balances. In particular, the president’s wholesale, blunderbuss assertion of executive privilege over the entirety of the Mueller report is legally groundless to the point of being preposterous.

What we are seeing is a systemic attack on checks and balances
“The redacted portions of the report and the underlying masses of evidence – the only items not already in the public domain – include vast amounts of material that cannot conceivably be described as subject to any of the several forms of executive privilege as that privilege was defined in the Nixon tapes case ... This reckless invocation of executive privilege gives the whole concept a stench of coverup, a sad fate for an important principle with a number of entirely valid applications.”

 
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Are we in a constitutional crisis yet???

And if we aren’t, what will it take to finally place us in one?
 
I would think Trump would be head over heels excited to get the report fully out there that completely exonerated him. I know I'd be tossing copies of it from airplanes and ****.

You know, grand jury material redacted of course.

But hell. This is like the old trope of the bad guy we all know is guilty "pleading the 5th". It's stupid and embarrassing.
 
The Thriller said:
Are we in a constitutional crisis yet???

And if we aren’t, what will it take to finally place us in one?
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Trump's attempt to deny Congress co-equal status as a branch of our government certainly should qualify. What troubles me, and I should think would trouble anyone who understands and appreciates what the framers of the constitution created, is that far too many American citizens do not care at all. Every generation should be vigilant and at the ready if the fundamentals of our constitution stand endangered. In our current tribal environment, far too many will willingly grant Trump as much power as he desires. They neither understand what is at stake, nor do they care.
 
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