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What do you consider a "failed" offseason for the Jazz?

Jingled said:
This would definitely be a failed offseason.

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I would rather keep Rubio, and it isn’t particularly close.

Signing Rozier to keep Favors is the same vein as refusing to include Exum in the Conley deal. If we do this, this is the sort of asinine **** that’ll cost DL his job someday.

It seems that if the Jazz are set on keeping Favors, this is probably going to be a disappointing offseason, isn’t it? Keeping Fav means no major upgrade unless we can do it by trade (which I don’t really see how we get their either without picking up his option and including him in the trade to match salary)
 
If the front office really thinks replacing Rubio with Rozier and maybe making a couple other small tweaks is going to be enough to put us on the same level as the Rockets and Warriors then we are ****ed.
 
Ineptimusprime said:
I would rather keep Rubio, and it isn’t particularly close.

Signing Rozier to keep Favors is the same vein as refusing to include Exum in the Conley deal. If we do this, this is the sort of asinine **** that’ll cost DL his job someday.

It seems that if the Jazz are set on keeping Favors, this is probably going to be a disappointing offseason, isn’t it? Keeping Fav means no major upgrade unless we can do it by trade (which I don’t really see how we get their either without picking up his option and including him in the trade to match salary)
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The problem you have with letting Favors go (and Rubio) is that Utah is under the cap and only has cap space plus the smaller exception to use. Very hard to just get a couple of players to replace Derrick and El Bricky AND improve the team. Obviously the Jazz do it if they can add Tobias or another FA of his caliber.

Keep Favs and the Jazz have the MLE PLUS Favs is an expiring contract at the deadline. This is also the scenario I see for keeping Rubio.

1. Lindsey strikes out on FA's who would really move the needle.
2. He keeps Derrick
3. And MAYBE even tries to re-sign Ricky to a 1+1 deal like Derrick has with the 2nd year being a team option.
4. Get a shooter with the MLE.

That way, the Jazz now have essentially 2 big expirings contracts as assets at the deadline. And they'd enter free agency in 2020 with the same ammo: able to get under the cap by $30M. Plus Lindsey could still go shopping with the full MLE.
 
Jack Strop said:
The problem you have with letting Favors go (and Rubio) is that Utah is under the cap and only has cap space plus the smaller exception to use. Very hard to just get a couple of players to replace Derrick and El Bricky AND improve the team. Obviously the Jazz do it if they can add Tobias or another FA of his caliber.

Keep Favs and the Jazz have the MLE PLUS Favs is an expiring contract at the deadline. This is also the scenario I see for keeping Rubio. Lindsey strikes out on FA's who would really move the needle. So he keeps Derrick and MAYBE even tries to re-sign Ricky to a 1+1 deal like Derrick has with the 2nd year being a team option. That way, the Jazz now have essentially 2 expirings as assets at the deadline. And they'd enter free agency in 2020 with the same ammo: able to get under the cap by $30M. Plus Lindsey could still go shopping with the full MLE.
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We had tons of expiring contracts the last two seasons and weren't able to use them at either trade deadline so why would next years deadline be any different? Also, the 2020 free agency class sucks so I don't think being able to create max space would do us any good at all.
 
Jack Strop said:
The problem you have with letting Favors go (and Rubio) is that Utah is under the cap and only has cap space plus the smaller exception to use. Very hard to just get a couple of players to replace Derrick and El Bricky AND improve the team. Obviously the Jazz do it if they can add Tobias or another FA of his caliber.

Keep Favs and the Jazz have the MLE PLUS Favs is an expiring contract at the deadline. This is also the scenario I see for keeping Rubio.

1. Lindsey strikes out on FA's who would really move the needle.
2. He keeps Derrick
3. And MAYBE even tries to re-sign Ricky to a 1+1 deal like Derrick has with the 2nd year being a team option.
4. Get a shooter with the MLE.

That way, the Jazz now have essentially 2 big expirings contracts as assets at the deadline. And they'd enter free agency in 2020 with the same ammo: able to get under the cap by $30M. Plus Lindsey could still go shopping with the full MLE.
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They’d enter a free agency with nobody on the market, Joe (and everyone) being a year older, and the team no better then before. They’d probably regress. That’s gonna be their pitch?

Additionally, Mitchell will be an RFA IIRC, which means if he signs an offer sheet with another team for whatever reason, that cap space no longer exists.

If Mitchell is going out and recruiting max guys, he knows some of the players here have got to go in order to make that happen. You think he’s going to be happy about all of the stagnation here deep down?

It’s now or never. The Jazz have to do something serious.
 
2020 is basically Anthony Davis and a bunch of middling bleh. I don’t see him coming here, so what’s that cap gonna buy you, a washed up/overpaid “star”?

And why are we throwing away entire seasons anyway?
 
This has to be the offseason the Jazz do anything significant since 2020 is a poor FA class with a bunch of aging vets + AD, and 2021 Mitchell's extension starts to eat away at 25 - 30% of the cap. Starting to get a bit nervous by all of the Tony Jones tweets suggesting minor tweaks to be honest.
 
If Rudy wins defensive player of the year again this year or makes an all NBA team then he will be eligible for a supermax extension next summer and I believe Donovan will be eligible for a max extension next summer. We have to get something significant done this summer. No more kicking the can down the road.
 
Also it's bizarre how some people on JazzFanz hate the Exum contract and think he's overpaid but are content on doubling down on the Exum cost by wanting to trade him. If he's as terrible of a deal as you're all suggesting then he's going to cost picks to move, Jazz are better off just eating his 2 year deal and hoping those two - three week flashes of brilliance he shows every year pan out to be more substantial than that unless you know you can land a big time FA and need to clear his deal off the books to free up room for him.
 
Sandman822 said:
Also it's bizarre how some people on JazzFanz hate the Exum contract and think he's overpaid but are content on doubling down on the Exum cost by wanting to trade him. If he's as terrible of a deal as you're all suggesting then he's going to cost picks to move, Jazz are better off just eating his 2 year deal and hoping those two - three week flashes of brilliance he shows every year pan out to be more substantial than that unless you know you can land a big time FA and need to clear his deal off the books to free up room for him.
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So would be down with trading him as well it sounds like.

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Surprised nobody has stated the one thing that actually matters. This off season will be a failure if Mitchell does not take a step forward.

The Jazz need a #1 guy to be a contender. They are not in a position to get him in the draft or via free agency. Even if we get Conley or Tobias, we still aren't a contender unless Mitchell to develops into an elite player. So for me, if Mitchell shows signs of being a top 15 player this off season will be an incredible success, even if nothing else works out.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Terry Rozier, keeping Favors, and Exum being “important.” Good ****ing night.
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We need shooting and playmaking... those three guys don’t do that...

I have a new question... why do we take players and try and turn them into something they aren’t. Like if you want a dog for a pet you don’t go get a hamster and try and turn it into a dog... it may become the most dog like hamster ever, but you could still just try and get a dog... I really need to see what happens in July because it may completely change the way I view DL... have given benefit of the doubt on 80% of his stuff. If we roll essentially the same group forward then I think he may just be an indecisive wuss...

What about Favs has changed so drastically this year that makes us want to keep him long term... or on his one year deal? If he was in the plans last year I’m sure he would have taken a 4/50 type deal that could descend and it’d be a better asset... but DL is a little scared to push assets in long term because of flexibility... unless it’s for Exum???? An injury plagued unproven talent???

I just... I don’t get it... is it July 1 yet.
 
checkbookdoc said:
Surprised nobody has stated the one thing that actually matters. This off season will be a failure if Mitchell does not take a step forward.

The Jazz need a #1 guy to be a contender. They are not in a position to get him in the draft or via free agency. Even if we get Conley or Tobias, we still aren't a contender unless Mitchell to develops into an elite player. So for me, if Mitchell shows signs of being a top 15 player this off season will be an incredible success, even if nothing else works out.
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His post all star play and being healthy going into the offseason lead me to believe he can be close to what he was post AS break more consistently.

This is a key component as much of where we go depends on his development.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I'm so done talking about how to make Derrick Favors work here.
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We have two pillars... Rudy and DM... Favs is a good player but he does not work well with those guys and in fact really hurts what they can do... so maybe just call it... ya know.

The DM Favs minutes were not good Locke hit on it in his deep dive on DM. We all know how Rudy and Favs are not ideal. Trust the data.
 
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