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You're the GM this offseason. What do you do?

LoPo said:
Dude what?

I have said all along. Waive Favors and re-sign him to $12 or $13 per year.

Conley makes $34 and $36 the next two years. And we would have to lose an asset or two to get him. No thanks.

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1 - Favors ain’t signing for that
2 - Favors is basically part of the problem, he provides basically nothing we don’t already have too much of
3 - Conley is a great player at a position of serious need
4 - we are very much in win now mode

We’re just going in circles at this point. But on the topic of going in circles; that’s exactly why we need to move the **** on from Favors.
 
LoPo said:
Okay, so the top tier free agents or two overpaid injury prone guys.

Well, I don't think we will get a top tier and don't think we should take on Love or Conley. I would rather keep Favors at 1/3 the cost of Conley or Love.

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I’d rather sign Kyle O Quinn at 1/3 of your price for Favors (that has as much chance of happening as us signing Tobias imo).

I know Favs is a fan favorite... I will root for him... say other offers are similar to our 3/36 you propose... is he going to choose another team or stay here... where he is underutilized and likely to be traded at some point... my guess is he’s take less to start for teams like Dallas either LA team or just some team that can start him at center... he’d be more likely to pick and stay at his prefered destination.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I’d rather sign Kyle O Quinn at 1/3 of your price for Favors (that has as much chance of happening as us signing Tobias imo).

I know Favs is a fan favorite... I will root for him... say other offers are similar to our 3/36 you propose... is he going to choose another team or stay here... where he is underutilized and likely to be traded at some point... my guess is he’s take less to start for teams like Dallas either LA team or just some team that can start him at center... he’d be more likely to pick and stay at his prefered destination.
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We are really going around in circles here.

I've been very clear - I don't think we should bring Favors back at $18 million and I don't think any team picks up his $18 million deal. So if Favors wants to come back, he'll sign with us at that proposed $12-13 number I've been throwing out there. I think it's completely fair. I do not expect a large number of suitors to offer Favors more than the full MLE ($8.5-9 million). If some team offers him a deal making a little more than what we want to offer or a starting job, it's on Favors if he wants to stay or go.

If he decides to leave even though we put a fair contract on the table, I'm not losing any sleep over losing Derrick Favors.

I still feel like it's in the realm of possibility that Favors is our starting center one day. I love Rudy. I do. But in two offseasons he could decide he wants super max money (due to DPOY or All NBA), I'm passing on that. If we sign Favors for 3 years this offseason, we will have a little more negotiating power in a couple summers. Sure, Gobert is better, but I believe Favors could be our starting center and we would still be solid.
 
Stoked said:
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You start of a premise of needing great players. Then your big reveal is Justice Winslow?

Like, but why?
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I think Winslow is a really good, comprehensive player. He's only 22 years old and has really blossomed the last couple years. He's not a "super star" type guy, but I think he could be a great robin to Donovan's batman.

Miami is in a tricky spot. They are mediocre. They have a ton of contracts for 2019-20 so they can't improve this summer. They don't have their 2021 pick and they've already said they plan on spending big in summer 2020. They would be best served to tank next season especially if they can dump some of their contracts which go past summer 2020 (Waiters, Olynyk, Johnson).

They probably don't want to lose Winslow, but they probably also realize that he's not the type guy you build a franchise around. For us, Winslow becomes a great addition at 3 or even small ball 4. He can even run the point and he has shot close to 40% from 3 the last couple years.
 
LoPo said:
We are really going around in circles here.

I've been very clear - I don't think we should bring Favors back at $18 million and I don't think any team picks up his $18 million deal. So if Favors wants to come back, he'll sign with us at that proposed $12-13 number I've been throwing out there. I think it's completely fair. I do not expect a large number of suitors to offer Favors more than the full MLE ($8.5-9 million). If some team offers him a deal making a little more than what we want to offer or a starting job, it's on Favors if he wants to stay or go.

If he decides to leave even though we put a fair contract on the table, I'm not losing any sleep over losing Derrick Favors.

I still feel like it's in the realm of possibility that Favors is our starting center one day. I love Rudy. I do. But in two offseasons he could decide he wants super max money (due to DPOY or All NBA), I'm passing on that. If we sign Favors for 3 years this offseason, we will have a little more negotiating power in a couple summers. Sure, Gobert is better, but I believe Favors could be our starting center and we would still be solid.
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Agree to disagree... I don't think Favs on a 3/30-36M is the worst idea in the world, but I don't see it as something feasible given the hoops we'd have to go through. I'd rather go a different direction... If Rudy leaves then we find a solid replacement then.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Agree to disagree... I don't think Favs on a 3/30-36M is the worst idea in the world, but I don't see it as something feasible given the hoops we'd have to go through. I'd rather go a different direction... If Rudy leaves then we find a solid replacement then.
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Can we both agree that we should not trade Favors during the draft because guaranteeing and trading him then likely sacrifices the cap space we would need to try to add a Kemba, Tobias, etc.?

And can we also both agree that we should waive Favors because $18 is too much?
 
LoPo said:
Can we both agree that we should not trade Favors during the draft because guaranteeing and trading him then likely sacrifices the cap space we would need to try to add a Kemba, Tobias, etc.?

And can we also both agree that we should waive Favors because $18 is too much?
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Depends on what we got... I preferred to add Conley then fill in the roster gaps with the MLE and BAE. At this point there are too many hurdles to do that. If we had a mutual agreement to move up the guarantee date (which is tricky) and moved Exum in the deal and maybe Korver... then we'd have some marginal cap space or could get there very easily to sign someone like Niko.

At this point pitching those guys in free agency and then either waiving Favors to accommodate a signing is one of the most likely scenarios, but... they most likely scenario is that we strike out and guarantee his salary and then sign someone with the $10-13M we have left over. I don't see him coming in at a lower number. I think $18M in space has more value in a trade than Favs on a one year deal... so yeah I agree we should waive him if we didn't guarantee him and trade him.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I'm not clear what this means. Could you explain?
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Based on his other post today you don't want a lot of details unless you are into some weird stuff.
 
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