An Alleged 1953 UFO Crash and Burial Near Garrison, Utah

[Game6Conley]

You're welcome btw. PPL should be thanking me for those last posts. Thats how it is.


If you don't like me and you don't like anything I have to say, and your one of these UFO believers in this thread..

and you dont believe what I have to say, because it comes from me;

Thats perfect.. best part is i drop tons of other peoples quotes always, so ppl do this thing "that guys an ******* and if he likes XXXX they must be assholes too" and before long they will have disarmed this other person in their mind, ya know, like a fantasy...


If you think you could actually refute that Alan Moore quote, to Alan Moore, whos alive and well, in front of his face, and debate him on it, you're an idiot and are way out of your depth..He'd crush you 100x worse than I could, and I'm pretty good at getting my point across.

thats precisely why I stick around here... to really flex on those gleefully walking the path of the fool... your hero Cy isnt even man enough to face me 1v1 anymore, hasnt been for years... I'm too hot for him to handle, even with 10 different accounts and countless layers of ******** and distractions, he represents a flimsy disposable flippant personality compared to me.

Like I've been saying here for many many years, I am difficult to argue with because I often have the truth on my side, this is just another chapter in that book....


I could rule this gen discussion forum with an iron fist if i chose to do so. you guys are all boring compared to me, literally sitting here 4 pages of discussion on UFO's... you guys think we can do 4 pages on if santa's real? or if the tooth fairy is really running some tooth gathering operation like the Nazi's?

 

[Archie Moses]

I don't care if I do not agree with you. I like you. I think you're an honest person. That matters to me a lot more than if we come to the same conclusions.

I might make cynical comments in this thread, but I am reading this thread. I am learning. That can be a plus or minus, but I am learning.

I hope I'm not coming across as tinfoil hat guy. I mainly look into UFO and alien conspiracies as a hobby. I've always listened to talk radio in the car - mainly sports and Stern. I guess this has translated to putting on YouTube videos at home while I'm doing something or laying in bed and just listening. I also travel a lot for work and listen to podcasts (although Rogan is much better than any paranormal podcasts.)

I think I've always been fascinated by the thought of aliens. I've seen a UFO with someone else at the time, and unless you know of something that can blast up from Mount Timpanogos with blue and orange flames and then shoot out west and out of site in a matter of seconds, then it's hard to give it a logical thought as to what it was.

I think most alledged alien abductions are simple cases of sleep paralysis. I've shared some of my experiences on here about sleep paralysis and being visited by the hag. While I know it was just sleep paralysis, it felt very real and terrifying. I can see how people think their dreams were abductions. It's hard to explain unless you've experienced it.

Lastly, I don't care if people make fun of myself or others for believing in aliens or giving them some serious thoughts. They can call the theories garbage and their followers loonies looking to be controlled by a God like figure or whatever. But at the end of the day, there are sources that are a hell of a lot more credible than them and it's not even arguable. That's what gets me thinking that this stuff could be real. I don't give a **** if Lord Bullington has read more about conspiracies than the forum combined (cool flex, bro.) I don't even give that a second thought. I do, however, care when multiple first person sources like astronauts, high ranking military officials, NASA workers, and government documents get leaked that vouch for the validity of UFOs and aliens.

 

[bigb]

Here’s my take on “aliens” or whatever:
I absolutely believe we are not alone in this vast universe. I absolutely believe other “people” are sitting on their planets talking about us just like we are talking about them. I absolutely don’t believe they’ve been here.
Take it for what it’s worth.

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[LogGrad98]

You're welcome btw. PPL should be thanking me for those last posts. Thats how it is.


If you don't like me and you don't like anything I have to say, and your one of these UFO believers in this thread..

and you dont believe what I have to say, because it comes from me;

Thats perfect.. best part is i drop tons of other peoples quotes always, so ppl do this thing "that guys an ******* and if he likes XXXX they must be assholes too" and before long they will have disarmed this other person in their mind, ya know, like a fantasy...


If you think you could actually refute that Alan Moore quote, to Alan Moore, whos alive and well, in front of his face, and debate him on it, you're an idiot and are way out of your depth..He'd crush you 100x worse than I could, and I'm pretty good at getting my point across.

thats precisely why I stick around here... to really flex on those gleefully walking the path of the fool... your hero Cy isnt even man enough to face me 1v1 anymore, hasnt been for years... I'm too hot for him to handle, even with 10 different accounts and countless layers of ******** and distractions, he represents a flimsy disposable flippant personality compared to me.

Like I've been saying here for many many years, I am difficult to argue with because I often have the truth on my side, this is just another chapter in that book....


I could rule this gen discussion forum with an iron fist if i chose to do so. you guys are all boring compared to me, literally sitting here 4 pages of discussion on UFO's... you guys think we can do 4 pages on if santa's real? or if the tooth fairy is really running some tooth gathering operation like the Nazi's?

 

[colton]

I don't know if anti gravity or free energy exists. What I do know is, saying that no credible people are saying this seems to be pretty ignorant. Witnesses and advocates of the Disclosure Project range from astronauts, aeronautical engineers, five star admirals, former head of British Military Defense, NASA officials, US military officials to dozen of government documents.
Again, I'm not saying this is true. Half the documentaries I watch I think are BS. I just watched the new Bob Lazar documentary (the guy who broke Groom Lake and Area 51) and I have a hard time believing him.
My question to you is, how can you say there's no credible people testifying of the Disclosure Project when there absolutely are? That's what actually gets me to raise an eyebrow and give their claims some thought.

Name one credible person who is claiming we have anti gravity or free energy technology.

 

[Getting Traded]

I should mention in this thread that the most well known Ufologist, Stanton Friedman died a few days ago.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/renowned-ufo-scientist-stanton-friedman-who-told-students-dont-be-apologist-1430213?amp=1

I saw him give a lecture once, too ... nothing spectacular or out of the ordinary though.

 

[Getting Traded]

LMAO. U can write a ton of words but u cant actually refute the quote, not even an iota...

It actually went over your head in spectacular fashion LMAO.


You find your version more comforting than reality!!!!!!!!! Just like the quote says....



And before you respond and keep dropping the name "George Orwell" like it holds any sort of weight, lemme ask you --- Is George Orwell some infallible being? Do you believe everythign he wrote? or just the bits that agree with your convoluted world view?

You could say no one is in control. But there are people who are trying to maintain control over others. There's no doubt about that. What do you think slavery is?

And why do people assume something is beyond their understanding just because others disagree with them. I tend to think when someone makes such a statement, they're the ones who don't understand.

 

[Archie Moses]

Name one credible person who is claiming we have anti gravity or free energy technology.

Lord Peter Hill-Norton in-chief of the Defense Staff, First Sea Lord, HMS Ark Royal, HMS Decoy

Master Sgt. Dan Morris - US Air Force

Don Phillips USAF and CIA Contractor

Sgt. Clifford Stone - US Army

Paul H Utz - his dad worked at area 51 and became a whistleblower.

Captain Bill Uhouse - Marines

Lieutenant Colonel John Williams

Gary McKinnon - one of the most famous hackers of our time

Donna Hare - NASA Contractor

Astronaut Edgar Mitchell from Apollo 14

Dr. J Allen Hynek - astronomer, professor

Astronaut Gordon Cooper - aerospace engineer, Air Force pilot, astronaut from Project Mercury.


Let's just start with these. I can give you way more names. I want to know why you think they're not credible or how you can invalidate what they've said?


Again, the thing that gets me the most with UFOs and aliens are the countless credible witnesses. I don't know if there's anti gravity or free energy. I do know a lot of credible people say there is. It makes me lol when people say they're "not credible" as if they have a more credible background.

https://www.disclosureproject.org/access/es-wit-test-government.htm

 

[colton]

Lord Peter Hill-Norton in-chief of the Defense Staff, First Sea Lord, HMS Ark Royal, HMS Decoy

Master Sgt. Dan Morris - US Air Force

Don Phillips USAF and CIA Contractor

Sgt. Clifford Stone - US Army

Paul H Utz - his dad worked at area 51 and became a whistleblower.

Captain Bill Uhouse - Marines

Lieutenant Colonel John Williams

Gary McKinnon - one of the most famous hackers of our time

Donna Hare - NASA Contractor

Astronaut Edgar Mitchell from Apollo 14

Dr. J Allen Hynek - astronomer, professor

Astronaut Gordon Cooper - aerospace engineer, Air Force pilot, astronaut from Project Mercury.


Let's just start with these. I can give you way more names. I want to know why you think they're not credible or how you can invalidate what they've said?


Again, the thing that gets me the most with UFOs and aliens are the countless credible witnesses. I don't know if there's anti gravity or free energy. I do know a lot of credible people say there is. It makes me lol when people say they're "not credible" as if they have a more credible background.

https://www.disclosureproject.org/access/es-wit-test-government.htm

OK, I've spent about 75 minutes on this which is frankly longer than it deserves. In that time I couldn't get through all the names on your list, so I just started at the top and worked my way down. Here's what I found:

Peter Hill-Norton - UFO believer, no claims at all that I could find about antigravity or free energy

Dan Morris - The only quotes from him I could find had their origins with Steven Greer and the Disclosure Project. Heck, I couldn't even verify he was an actual person. But the quotes did reference free energy, so there is that I suppose. I found this bio on him at the disclosure project, "Dan Morris is a retired Air Force career Master Sergeant who was involved in the extraterrestrial projects for many years. After leaving the Air Force, he was recruited into the super-secret National Reconnaissance Organization, or NRO, during which time he worked specifically on extraterrestrial-connected operations. He had a cosmic top-secret clearance (38 levels above top secret) which, he states, no U.S. president, to his knowledge, has ever held." Yeah, 38 levels above top secret, with a higher clearance than U.S. presidents. Yeah, that sounds like a thing.

Don Phillips - I found this speech by him, . He talks about UFOs, so obviously a believer. That video doesn't make any claims about the US having antigravity or free energy technology though. I did find some other quotes attributed to him that reference antigravity, but as with Dan Morris the only sources for these quotes seem to be Steven Greer himself.

Clifford Stone - I found this video of him, . It's an hour long. I watched about 8 minutes, and it only took me that long to find him completely unreliable. He's telling second and third hand accounts, and using phrases like "I have reason to believe" without giving any evidence. My assessment: he is nuts. Definitely not credible.

OK, that's enough of that. All of the people on your list clearly come from this source: https://www.disclosureproject.org/access/es-wit-test-government.htm

And let me be frank: I think Steven Greer is a con man. I do not trust anything at all from that source. I think he has combined statements which are either made by crazy people or are outright fabrications, along with some few quotes from more credible people which aren't nearly as outrageous.

Because I was particularly interested in so-called antigravity technology (since I'm a physicist), I looked at one of the people at random that the page claimed talked about antigravity stuff, namely Bill Uhouse. The quote/bio from the page is: "Bill Uhouse served 10 years in the Marine Corps as a fighter pilot, and four years with the Air Force at Wright-Patterson AFB as a civilian doing flight-testing of exotic experimental aircraft. Later, for the next 30 years, he worked for defense contractors as an engineer of antigravity propulsion systems." OK, so I looked up Uhouse and found this video by him, . I encourage you to watch the video and see if you find that individual to be credible. I do not at all. He's either making crap up or else he's just gone loony. Personally I'm going with fraud. The video actually starts off somewhat OK, with him talking about some things which could be plausible (tunnels for nuclear testing, etc.), but then rapidly goes off the rails. By about 5-7 mins in (I stopped at 7 mins, fwiw, couldn't take it anymore), he is talking about aliens existing at various facilities around the country, that he has met with them personally after going through a "long period of education", and he starts describing various types of alien races and cultures and their interactions. Sorry, I don't find him credible. And of course there is no evidence. Although actually, there could be if it were real... among other things, somewhere in the video he claimed that alien technology was used in the F-117 aircraft (stealth attack aircraft, introduced 1983, retired 2008), with the implication being its propulsion system because it was right after he was talking about flying discs. So gee, there's something that someone could check. I'm sure there were thousands of people, maybe even tens of thousands of people who worked on designing and operating that aircraft line during those years. Too bad none of them ever thought to mention that its propulsion was crazy, like nothing they had ever seen before and completely unrelated to any other propulsion systems that US aircraft had previously used. So again, I don't believe him and have concluded that he was either a fraud or crazy.

Please consider that if you are correct about this, it would require a cover-up FAR exceeding the scope of what some people believe was a cover-up about the Apollo moon landing (and even the scope of that supposed cover-up is way too large to be credible).

 

[colton]

I don't know if there's anti gravity or free energy.

Just to reply to this sentence in its own post. You might not know, but I do. There is not.

Btw, how efficient do you believe the federal government is at "regular" things? Think about that, then decide if you really think it's possible that they could be this efficient in covering something like this up.

 

[Archie Moses]

Just to reply to this sentence in its own post. You might not know, but I do. There is not.

Btw, how efficient do you believe the federal government is at "regular" things? Think about that, then decide if you really think it's possible that they could be this efficient in covering something like this up.

Again, I want to make it clear, I'm not an advocate or believer in free energy and or antigravity. I mean, I've read stuff about it and seen different videos of conspiracists talking about it, but I'm no where close to believing those subjects as I am with believing in UFOs and aliens. I remember when I made my post responding to you asking for credible people, I was like, dang, this is a time consuming thing to do to make a dumb point you don't even really care about.

All of the people I named, I read or watched them say something about either free energy or antigravity. I wish I posted all the links, but the one I did covers probably 2/3's of the names I posted. That was the link to the Dusclosure Project. I, too, think Dr. Steven Greer is a fraud and takes advantage of people for money. It's a shame too because he speaks intelligent, has an intelligent background of being a trauma dr, but then says dumb things like the Atacama Skeleton is an alien. There's a reason I didn't list him or Bob Lazar.

It's comforting knowing that you at least took the time to verify each person for yourself. Now, I don't feel like it was a waste of time posting my response.

I guess the point I was making is that many people say that alien conspiracies are complete garbage and baseless, when in fact, there are many people, with credible backgrounds who support such claims. I suppose there are the ones that are a bit looney and distort or exaggerate the truth or make things up. But there are people with credible backgrounds making the statements. Not just some online, flatearther sitting in their basement.

I haven't watched the videos you posted, but plan to when I have some time. It will be interesting to see why you're calling some of them crazy. Are you basing it off of them believing in aliens, UFOs or technology? If so, I guess that's why there's such a divide amongst people who feel strongly there is credible evidence to support such claims or such claims are crazy and obviously a lie.

I don't believe in bigfoot, but it's fascinating that people from all over the world say they've witnessed an upright walking ape. The difference between alien conspiracists and bigfoot conspiracists is their background and credibility of those advocating it. Can we at least agree that there are many people, with credible backgrounds who claim there are UFOs and or aliens?

Lastly, I take your opinion and knowledge over my own 100% of the time when it comes to physics. I know nothing about free energy or antigravity. I like to think I'm open minded enough to look into things, and that doesn't mean I believe them or I'm gullible. I'm always interested in learning things about alien/UFO conspiracists have some interesting things to say. Half the time I roll my eyes and laugh. It's like watching an episode of Ancient Aliens on the History Channel. Half of what is on the show is laughable and a stretch. The other half gets you to think and want to learn answers.

 

[Red]

@Archie Moses, the New York Times is at it again. I was able to match up the pilot's description here with the 3 Navy pilot recordings posted in comment #34 of this thread:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/26/us/politics/ufo-sightings-navy-pilots.html