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An Alleged 1953 UFO Crash and Burial Near Garrison, Utah

Archie Moses said:
Lol.

Yeah, ok, bub.

I'm like, "Yeah, most UFOs aren't of alien origin and have explanations. That doesn't account for the ones that defy human technology and we have video evidence of. I can't say for certain it's not aliens, but it's definitely not humans. If it is, can you explain?"

You're like, "Are you joking? UFOs aren't inherently alien. Witness testimony is skewed." - Even though we have video evidence and witnesses from the most credible people on earth (I dare you to argue that.)

Me: "I agree, they're not all aliens. The ones that defy logic and clearly have technology humans don't have certainly raises questions though, if not, can you explain? Can we agree on that?

You: While avoiding my question and basically saying, "No, I can't offer an explanation for that. I'm not willing to meet in the middle, but I'll act like it's you."
Lol lol loz

G T F O H, Bub.
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If that's the synopsis that you can offer, then your comprehension of what I'm saying, and what you are saying, is quite horrific.

It's been a pleasure, as always, Archibald.
 
FACTS: Aliens possess incredible technologies that we can't even fathom.

FACTS: Alien ships and their pilots are able to navigate space, but yet, when they arrive on Earth, they occasionally crash.

FACTS: Despite coming here for, well, forever, these alien crashes only happen way out in the boonies where nobody ever goes.

FACTS: The reason we don't have pictures is because of the vast conspiracy of governments to cover it up.




C'mon man. We've heard of alien visitations for hundreds of years. Yet, despite that, there's absolutely zero physical evidence of it. Nada. A quality picture? Not even one. A ship? A body? Nada. Nothing. Eyewitness testimony without physical evidence is, to be honest, very lacking. We live in a day and age where practically every person has a good handheld camera, and nothing.

I'm sorry, but I don't find it logical or rational to jump to aliens. Now, I believe in a lot of irrational and illogical things, so I'm not judging. I'm just stating my viewpoint.

And finally, no Archie, you aren't trying to meet anybody in the middle. You're putting forth a very obvious facade of so called acceptance that you might be wrong on some very obvious things, but you aren't looking to change your mind. Neither am I. I'm just honest about it.
 
RandyForRubio said:
If that's the synopsis that you can offer, then your comprehension of what I'm saying, and what you are saying, is quite horrific.

It's been a pleasure, as always, Archibald.
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That literally sums up our exchanges, but if it makes you feel better by saying my comprehension of what you're saying is horrific, that's cool, dude.

You were right though. Only one of us was willing to meet in the middle.

Tell me, those humans piloting those UFOs that stop and turn on a dime, how are they surviving all the G's?
 
Archie Moses said:
For sure, man. My OP post is about a crash just Southwest of the Dugway Proving Grounds.

It also doesn't take a genius to realize that UFOs are witnessed around and not air around military bases.

That said, it takes a moron with an ego to deny the UFO phenomenon or think all sightings are either false or have logical explanations.
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"just Southwest of the Dugway Proving Grounds"......lol.

Do you know the Dugway military facilities are eighty miles by fifty miles of salt flats mostly but two entire mountain ranges, and that the airspace eighty miles south from there is a missile testing airspace where you can't build solar developments of any size. Then there's some more military land north of I-80 west of the Great Salt Lake.

West of the area is a looklikenothing place called Yelland Field, north of Ely, NV. Area 51 is a few mountain ranges southwest, and the whole desolate area is between Hill Field and Nellis.

I've seen missiles, huge bombers, dogfights with flares(I hope) not real ordnance, fighters going up steep canyons with hardly a hundred feet of clearance. I've seen what I imagine are holographic displays as well.

people with "logical explanations" of stuff are not always "morons". Sure the "Desert Research Station" is probably under contract with the military (air force at least) and certainly no agricultural research goes on there.

But the valley where the alleged ginormous UFO was buried, where the tunnel is supposed to run from the little run-down white house a mile north, does not look like anything to me. That valley is contiguous with Sevier Lake, a mostly dry salt bed.

The locals like to spin their yarns, and some of them are damn good at it. One of them, a hundred years ago, was struck by lightning than came in through the bathroom window, and lived to tell about it. Another was bit by a rattlesnake in the neck, and lived to tell about it. Some others spent quite a lot of time looking for an old Spanish silver mine that somehow just disappeared after it was seen the first time.....

If anything is buried in that salty muck, it's corroded now.... even if it was titanium to begin with. And the tunnel and craft are filled with salt muck as well. Nobody is going in or out of that damn little white house filled with rat poop.

So Colton's idea about gradualism, I'm sure, is consistent with socialist progressive history. We are only gradually being moved along as a culture or society towards awareness of the fabulous future our wise.... and alien-schooled.... elites know too damn well not to just spill out wholesale on the unwashed masses.

If we have found alloys or materials or technologies in space junk, I'm sure the military keeps it under wraps and only incrementally allows it to be used commercially.
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
Oh Lord, really?

Coming soon, threads on Bigfoot, Loch Ness Monster, astral projection, crystals, QAnon, etc.

It never ceases to amaze me that we're in the 21st Century, with educational attainment at its highest peak in the history of human kind, and there is still no shortage of people who believe in fairy tales.

People will believe literally anything.

Humans as a species are easily duped and easily manipulated.

I'm not saying there's no UFOs or no extra-terrestrials (in fact, I'd bet there are), but the evidence that they have crashed here (and the gov knows about it) or that they are flying around observing us should be pretty damned strong and objectively verifiable before I will believe it.

Bill Nye said it best, "Extra-ordinary claims require extra-ordinary evidence." Deviate from this standard, and you'll soon be joining the ranks of the cranks, duped, gullible, not very bright, etc. who believe all sorts of silly crap.
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I hardly take Bill Nye "The Science Guy" as authoritative on anything. He's a propaganda tool/fool.

Imagination is wonderful. Statist attempts to discredit it or talk us out of it are despicable. That's the worst thing about "socialist" literature or science.

Most people don't seriously believe much without some kind of reason, but then we do have "Coast to Coast" the Art Bell/etc. program where there is such an overwhelming nightly assault on reason, I don't think I really have to fear that human credulity is a lost art.

Still, I think it's reasonable that most of our tales of the unknown, particularly UFO phenomena, have human explanations and would be accepted as our own doing if we as a public had access to the facts.
 
RandyForRubio said:
FACTS: Aliens possess incredible technologies that we can't even fathom.
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If indeed there are UFOs and aliens that have come to earth, they do possess incredible technology we can't replicate.

FACTS: Alien ships and their pilots are able to navigate space, but yet, when they arrive on Earth, they occasionally crash.
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Not a fact:
If aliens can navigate through space that doesn't mean they are incapable of crashing. Having a technology to travel through space doesn't mean having technology that's incapable of failing. In other words, being capable of space travel does not mean you are not ever going to crash. That is not remotely logical.

FACTS: Despite coming here for, well, forever, these alien crashes only happen way out in the boonies where nobody ever goes.
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Not a fact:
1. mathematically speaking, if UFOs did crash, it's way more likely they would crash in the ocean or in the boondocks.
2. There have been alleged crashes that were said to take place in places that aren't out in the "boonies." Just because you haven't heard of them, doesn't mean people haven't reported them.

FACTS: The reason we don't have pictures is because of the vast conspiracy of governments to cover it up.
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Not a fact:
Not only are there a vast amount of alleged UFO pictures, but there are also videos of them. The US Navy have released pictures and videos of UFOs as well.

Other countries that have released their UFO files include: UK, New Zealand, Russia, Denmark, Japan, Ireland, France, Brazil and Mexico.

Now you may not agree with the photos, videos and files, but they are there.

If you get a chance to watch the new UFO documentary that will show on the History Channel on May 30th, I'd recommend it.

https://www.livescience.com/65596-ufo-pentagon-history-channel.html

C'mon man. We've heard of alien visitations for hundreds of years. Yet, despite that, there's absolutely zero physical evidence of it. Nada. A quality picture? Not even one. A ship? A body? Nada. Nothing. Eyewitness testimony without physical evidence is, to be honest, very lacking. We live in a day and age where practically every person has a good handheld camera, and nothing.
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There has been plenty of physical evidence, you choose to not believe it. That's fine because I whole heartily agree there needs to be more evidence to prove aliens exist.

The eyewitness testimony is something that makes me think. There are people way more credible than both you and I that say there are UFOs and aliens including US Presidents, high ranking military officials, astronauts, scientists, classified government documents, and the list goes on.

I'm sorry, but I don't find it logical or rational to jump to aliens. Now, I believe in a lot of irrational and illogical things, so I'm not judging. I'm just stating my viewpoint.
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In the videos that the US Navy released, what would you say a logical explanation for this would be? Is it a hoax? Do humans have technology that can move like that?

And finally, no Archie, you aren't trying to meet anybody in the middle. You're putting forth a very obvious facade of so called acceptance that you might be wrong on some very obvious things, but you aren't looking to change your mind. Neither am I. I'm just honest about it.
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I mean, if that's what you think, cool. I've brought up valid points in this thread and have never once said this is absolutely true. It's something to think about and I think it's foolish to dismiss. You've simply have dismissed what's been said or refused to answer my questions.

I'm more in the middle than you are, bub.
 
Arch, my boy, an alien craft traversing the deep space, only to crash upon reaching Earth is akin to the Utah Jazz losing a ward ball game.

Possible? Yeah. Likely? No.


I think you've missed a good amount of sarcasm in my posts, so that's probably my fault. I'm too lazy to go out and correct how you responded incorrectly. But just in fyi, there's a difference between blurry pictures and good pictures. And physical evidence would be nice.

I'm not going to answer every question you put forth. It's a waste of time. I wouldn't argue with a flat earther, because, well...at a certain point logic and reasoning has left the game. I'll leave it at that. I think you can take a reasonable conclusion of my views from that statement. I hope.
 
RandyForRubio said:
Arch, my boy, an alien craft traversing the deep space, only to crash upon reaching Earth is akin to the Utah Jazz losing a ward ball game.

Possible? Yeah. Likely? No.


I think you've missed a good amount of sarcasm in my posts, so that's probably my fault. I'm too lazy to go out and correct how you responded incorrectly. But just in fyi, there's a difference between blurry pictures and good pictures. And physical evidence would be nice.

I'm not going to answer every question you put forth. It's a waste of time. I wouldn't argue with a flat earther, because, well...at a certain point logic and reasoning has left the game. I'll leave it at that. I think you can take a reasonable conclusion of my views from that statement. I hope.
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The guy that doesn't think UFOs are capable of crashing also wants clear pictures of the crafts as if they're not stealthy and moving 8×s faster than the speed of sound? Shocking.

I love how you continue to ignore and dismiss the Navy videos and then compare me to a flat earthers.

I wonder if you're religious. Are you?

It's 2019, bro. Your misconceptions and denial of UFOs is not only ignorant, but it's outdated.
 
Archie Moses said:
The guy that doesn't think UFOs are capable of crashing also wants clear pictures of the crafts as if they're not stealthy and moving 8×s faster than the speed of sound? Shocking.

I love how you continue to ignore and dismiss the Navy videos and then compare me to a flat earthers.

I wonder if you're religious. Are you?

It's 2019, bro. Your misconceptions and denial of UFOs is not only ignorant, but it's outdated.
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Arch. I am religious. And as I said earlier, I believe things that aren't logical or provable with physical evidence. I'm just honest about it.

Now, I'm not the smartest science person around, but if something was going 8x the speed of light, I don't think a human eye would be able to see it, let alone get a picture of it. @colton would probably know that one, I think.
 
RFR: I don't believe in Aliens, and you do. Neither of us is willing to change.

Arch: I'm totally willing to find middle ground!

RFR: I don't believe in Aliens.

Arch: Your denial of aliens is outdated and ignorant!

So Arch, what middle ground is there to find? Bc I don't see it. I don't believe in Aliens, you do, neither of us is changing our minds, yada yada yada.
 
RandyForRubio said:
RFR: I don't believe in Aliens, and you do. Neither of us is willing to change.

Arch: I'm totally willing to find middle ground!

RFR: I don't believe in Aliens.

Arch: Your denial of aliens is outdated and ignorant!

So Arch, what middle ground is there to find? Bc I don't see it. I don't believe in Aliens, you do, neither of us is changing our minds, yada yada yada.
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Smdh.

You made preposterous claims.

I don't care if you don't believe in aliens. I care that you're a pompous **** about it while comparing people who believe in UFOs to flat earthers and ignoring evidence you keep asking for.

You came into the thread with a purpose to mock and dismiss. Good on you.

I leave the relious stuff alone, but it does make me wonder.
 
RandyForRubio said:
Arch. I am religious. And as I said earlier, I believe things that aren't logical or provable with physical evidence. I'm just honest about it.

Now, I'm not the smartest science person around, but if something was going 8x the speed of light, I don't think a human eye would be able to see it, let alone get a picture of it. @colton would probably know that one, I think.
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I haven't checked this thread for several days, but because you called... There are two significant issues with objects going faster than light.* (a) It would take an infinite amount of energy to accelerate the object to that speed. (b) In some frames of reference causality would be violated--the object would arrive at its destination before it leaves its origin. I.e. it would be moving backwards in time.

That's only for some frames of reference, though. In others it would just look like it's going REALLY FAST. Seeing the object/getting a picture of the object wouldn't be a problem though... you'd be seeing/getting a picture of photons bouncing off of the object, and those photons would just be regular photons traveling at the speed of light.

*This is according to Einstein's theory of special relativity. Now you might say that that theory could be wrong/incomplete. However, it's been tested a tremendous amount of times and has held up completely accurately to the tests, so even if it's wrong/incomplete, the correct/complete version of the theory would almost certainly still have these two issues.
 
All I know, if aliens are real, they are more likely to sign with the Jazz as free agents because they love themselves some rural Intermountain West.
 
colton said:
I haven't checked this thread for several days, but because you called... There are two significant issues with objects going faster than light.* (a) It would take an infinite amount of energy to accelerate the object to that speed. (b) In some frames of reference causality would be violated--the object would arrive at its destination before it leaves its origin. I.e. it would be moving backwards in time.

That's only for some frames of reference, though. In others it would just look like it's going REALLY FAST. Seeing the object/getting a picture of the object wouldn't be a problem though... you'd be seeing/getting a picture of photons bouncing off of the object, and those photons would just be regular photons traveling at the speed of light.

*This is according to Einstein's theory of special relativity. Now you might say that that theory could be wrong/incomplete. However, it's been tested a tremendous amount of times and has held up completely accurately to the tests, so even if it's wrong/incomplete, the correct/complete version of the theory would almost certainly still have these two issues.
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What about an Einstein-Rosen bridge? If they are thousands and maybe even millions of years ahead of us that could theoretically be within their reach, right?
 
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